Some principles apply to both.
Good comparisons would be other collectible markets with a longer history like coins, banknotes, watches, comics etc.
I personally think that todays vintage “grail” cards like high grade shinings, base 1st or even gold stars will be absolutely unattainable by the average collector 30 years down the road. Therefore they might not be known by the average collector either, but that doesn´t matter as far as pricing is concerned.
Same as a trophy kangaskhan today - which is not known to average casual collectors but is absolutely unattainable for most of them already.
It doesn´t take many people to reach these spheres as the supply is very much limited.
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No, you literally send pictures a few posts earlier about guys with 10 moonbreons. I can tell you what happens to these moonbreons when a new shiny stonker card arrives but i dont think you are ready to hear it.
The future and demand of modern chase cards will continue to shift to the newest big hitter.
I remember when everyone was chasing the Rainbow Pikachu from vivid voltage, where is it now?
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The more of anything that is released, the less it will stand out.
Someone said entire eras might be overlooked - I already posted about BW being a rather unexciting and forgettable era. Full arts were the top tier pulls then, now no one cares about them. Sure, some who grew up with them and appreciate the texture might still hold interest in them, but to everyone else, what’s the difference between those and XY, SM, SWSH, SV etc.
If you’ve seen one CGI pose, you’ve seen them all.
I think people are underrating the artist aspect. Great art, popular Pokemon and artists/style with followings I think will hold up in the long run.
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wotc is wotc, it is a completely contained era of the hobby which happens to be also the start of the tcg. not sure if this can be diluted by some random new sets like you describe as it will always have a very special place in the history of the tcg.
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When rainbow pikachu was released, I totally didn’t even have any desire to pick it up.
You’re comparing a Holy Grail with a hyped card.
BW is not WOTC.
Well “Grail” is a bit subjective yes. Grail for me would be a card that I would want the most for a very long time and cannot acquire it currently for whatever reason.
So that would mean technically you are comparing a previously hyped card vs the current hype card.
Cheers!
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who was talking about BW? you replied to my message where I was talking about WOTC and Gold Stars.
I realized you people don’t listen and understand, even when presented with statistics.
Whatever you says that makes you happy.
I think i missed your statistics. Could explain those?
Only statistics i see is that on average 15 new psa 10 moonbreons are added every single day which is around 5500 per year.
I think the demand cant keep up with this but im ready to be wrong.
Hey guys,
I just wanted to remind you guys that you are all very lucky to be apart of Pokemon card collecting now. It’s a golden age of Pokemon.
You get to be apart of the growth and enjoy the fun that others are having. Monetary gains aside, there’s a lot of noise happening with modern, waifus, what have you, but it’s just good old fun to collect. 
Honestly, if you buy the cards you like, not only will you enjoy it more, you will be a reasonable collector rather then a quick flipper so it’s not too important to collect those sought after arts that others like, unless you want to hedge some of those profits to reinvest in your collectible preferences, whether its promos or even a character or artist, if you need the money.
It’s disgusting the number of big money magic tcg collectors coming towards Pokemon. It’s been slowly happening over the years, we’ve had some notable players that had positive effect on the Poke Market and I genuinely think many of the early adopters enjoyed Pokemon first, rather then focused monetary considerations (boring).
Every frigging time I get back to collecting Pokemon cards (downturns or upturn), everything I’m looking at goes up in value. This is not an exaggeration. It seems like there’s way too many big money $100k-Mils Magic collectors buying a lot of Pokemon cards. Not cool guys, why are they even here, I’m trying to get some cards at reasonable prices and they’re just buying everything up, never seen them glorify Pokemon cards or art aside from the bathroom decored boxes or warehouse full of sealed products.
Wtf guys, calm down on buying so much Pokemon cards, pls ty.
Every time I post this stuff warning that people are buying too many cards, it’s like Dblast is overreacting, prices are fine, yet everything is going up ridiculously in price FOR ME, ie. I’m paying 10-15x price for some stuff or hundreds or thousands more climbing prices.
I don’t watch Youtube Influencer Videos much but I swear I got back in 30 days ago and now I’m seeing some Rudy tudy foo buying all my Pokemon cards. He’s egging on more of his Magic and Investor friends that pokemon is at a low, and ALPHA INVESTMENT GOES ALL IN. Everytime I watch some influencer videos, i get so triggered.
Honestly, how about being a bit more subtle? Let us buy the cards cheap before people start throwing money at the cardboards, just because it’s going up in money, not because they even like the Pokemon or art. What the hell. Not cool guys.
Pokemon in the next 5 years is going to Surpass Marvel and Magic combined. They’re all coming to pokemon, friggin a. Why they have to do it when I’m back to buying Pokemon cards? Makes no sense. Somehow, Pokemon has the right recipe and it’s demand continues to fluorish.
These influencers are selling ‘make big bucks or i’m buying all the pokemon cars’ Really guys?..
I hope I wrote the longest and I hope nobody read all this because I’m just kind of irritated by the Pokemon card prices going up so much when it’s suppose to be calmer times. Just violent outside or something.
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Also stop grading cards, paying thousands of dollars for the grading companies to give you work to sell some stuff and mess up the market prices more. It’s clear a lot of the cards you like will go up in value anyways so just acquire your favorites in as highest of grades as you can tolerate spending.
And STOP Best Offers or buying at the lowest, thats the most penny pinching nonsense ever. Just go buy it already. Minus the magic guys, get out and go all in disney lorcana pls. It’s so much more your style.
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@pokebuffet please stop making every thread about moonbreon.
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I read your whole comment. I like how you express your feelings about the market and future of pokemon! In 10 years we all have to look back at this thread and choose the new oracle of Pokemon cards.
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@xileets here you go, apologies on the delay
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Not convenient to continue anymore. Ssshhh 
This is the important part. Its the card you select. Take the XY Pokemon Center Lady. In GEM MINT 10 that card has absolutely crushed it in less than 10 years. Or the 15th Anniversary Full Art Pikachu from B&W era. I had a PSA 10 copy back then I sold for $250. Now its $2500. Its really about selecting the right cards in any era. Not all Alt Arts from Sword and Shield will do well but some will probably do excellent over the long term. Honestly I think the Lost Origin/Lost Abyss Giratina V Alt Art will likely stay strong. Its such an amazing card I think its more than hype personally. And its $700 PSA 10 price points isn’t so stratospheric to put downward pressure. Nonetheless its still crazy to see a modern card that high. But its a cool card to have in the collection and the pull rates especially on the english side are real low. Combined with poor print quality its actually a pretty good pick for a modern card I think.
If you can select cards well then you’ll likely do well over the long term. But I could be wrong. Markets are hard to predict and an upcoming global financial crisis could certainly tank everything including pokemon.
As far as moonbreon. I don’t personally enjoy this card so its hard for me to wrap my head around its crazy prices. I think it will overall do well longterm due to its cultural influence, but I have a feeling in the next few years it will take a major haircut from its current price when its no longer the top chase. To me that’s the danger of paying a lot for a top chase card at the time. Just my $0.02
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Not to derail from the riveting crypto conversion, but to me it sorta looks like a lot of stuff has leveled off from the COVID peaks as of late. Most items appear to have leveled off above the 2019 price which makes sense due to the size of the hobby now.
Some items move slower and sell less frequently than others and surely need more time to correct, but for the average non scarce item to me it seems stable. What do you guys think of the current market stability? Expecting further declines?
(I know it’s hard to speak generally on this as many segments react differently, but try your best)
Do you think the overall market is stable?
- Yes, most items appear stable
- No, further decline is coming
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I’d say by and large there’s been quite a bit of stability the past 6+ months or so across the broader market, although I have seen some movement upward depending on the card/set. For example, I feel prices for Neo and E-Reader WOTC cards have been more steady and even selling for higher at auction compared to earlier WOTC sets (excluding 1st Ed Base). Japanese vintage has been pretty much a bargain as well.
Modern has been choppy at times. Seems like S&V era has been pretty weak compared to SWSH, but then a lot of pre-2020 stuff has been doing quite well in terms of growth/stability. Lots of great promos and cards from the XY & S&M era have been doing good, particularly on the Japanese side from what I’ve observed. Even some record breaking auctions despite the “bad economy” or other factors people are always talking about.
So overall I think it’s a good time as a buyer in this market. Definitely much better than the unprecedented and crazy Covid era.
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