On another note, regardless of how you view the breaking and selling, this will garner more exposure for pokemon in general and base set 1st.
Not to mention it means one less unopened box 
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People keep trying to look at the price and say it isn’t justified for what the contents are… The whole SHOULD be worth more than the sum of its parts in 99% of cases with stuff so old and scarce. The only way to “plus” SHOULD be to hit some long odds with a mix of good 10’s or solid 8/9’s.
It shouldn’t be the case as it was a couple years ago that you could just open a product so old and so rare and be guaranteed to make money. I think Rusty bought the last one from Collectors Cache for $10k that was so stupidly underpriced and guaranteed profit to crack. There are millions of raw 1st edition base cards and tens of thousands of them graded already. Very, very few sealed boxes and packs relatively speaking. For WOTC in general PSA 10’s were far too high in many sets and box prices were STUPID low a couple years ago and even early last year.
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This.
You know something’s underpriced if you’re guaranteed to profit or break even. Boxes should always make more money than graded unless the card quality is notoriously bad and getting a 10 is impossible.
Okay, but now you’re arguing that people should be happily paying more for what something “should” be worth. Again, the odds are that you are going to lose a lot of money by spending 2k on a 1st edition pack that “supposedly” isn’t weighed or has been tampered with. It’s not wrong to go with the mathematically viable truth when evaluating this scenario. Purchasing these packs for 2k to be opened, just doesn’t economically make sense.
Further, if you are buying a 1st Edition pack to open it for the cards inside, then no, Aristotle’s phrase on Synergy absolutely does not apply.
I wonder if PSA or BGS would ever consider grading and encapsulating whole box.
For $2k a pack maybe D&A should grade the packs first.
Hell, if they’re going to weigh the packs, they may as well open the weighed ones and grade the unweighted ones.
Nowhere did I say though that people should happily pay the $2k. I even said it felt high and that I feel that the “proper” price if there could be such a thing would be closer to $1,500. I feel pretty safe in saying that because I personally know that at $1,500 I would heavily contemplate buying a few and when shady sold his for $1,000 that was clearly underselling them. Some members also used that price point to call this one expensive and that is improper. If I want to sell my PSA 9 1st edition charizard tomorrow for $1,000 it would sell in a heartbeat but that wouldn’t be the new price. The next guy to throw his up for sale for $4-5k wouldn’t be crazy or trying to rip people off.
Honestly where I said “SHOULD” you could have easily replaced that with “WILL”. Markets are efficient albeit slow at times. PSA 9’s/10’s were selling for far too much a couple years ago and sealed product for far too little. I was a part of that efficient market when I was buying and cracking all the jungle and fossil 1st edition boxes I could find for sub $500 a couple years ago. I was not alone either. It made no sense that I could do that with zero risk and guaranteed return. Pops went up and the remaining sealed product went down. The state we are in today with jungle and fossil 1st edition boxes being “too expensive” to make money on opening them is a natural one to be in. Sealed product is scarce and priced as such. Sure there are more loose card collectors than sealed product collectors but opened and graded product far exceeds what remains sealed and the distribution of sealed to opened will find an equilibrium at some point. We are at that point with many of the WOTC sets recently and nearly all of the newer sets as well.
Yes it definitely seems to be the new trend. After the shadowless booster box opening, there was a base set unlimited box opening, now Skyridge and Expedition are coming up and I even know more coming after those.
2000.00 is insane which time will bear out. Save this thread.
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I also wanted to mention the glaring lie he said on the video. He said he took the packs out and left them stacked exactly the way they were in the box. Total BS. The problem with that lie is “Why”?
They should really not grade the packs… please no! The horror of the folded seams!
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Moral of the story: dacardworld is being dacardworld as usual – advice is to stay away unless you really really want a pack or have a massive itch to open a pack and get lucky.
It does economically make sense though? Especially when you have the potential to open up a 24k+ card that is even worth 5k+ in PSA 9 form? Most of us on this forum are probably risk-averse, which is why we don’t have a desire to buy a pack for 2k unless we can guarantee that we get our money back at minimum. Take another example: EX Deoxys booster packs are selling for close to $100, purely because of 3 cards which each have a 1:72 chance of being pulled.
What’s the difference besides the fact that fewer people have the financial security to obtain 1st edition base set booster packs than EX Deoxys packs?
Edit: Calculated EV of the pack for the rare pull ONLY (i.e. the other cards are assumed to be $0). Card prices are also conservative estimates and are reflective of recent purchase sales based on Pokemon Prices (thanks @pierce ). In determining the price (taking only a few seconds), I only looked at the most recent sales + took into consideration what I expect to be the future trend of the card.
There are 3 diff. EVs - first is assuming that the rare card pulled is a PSA 10 ($1550), second is assuming that the holo pulled will be a PSA 9 while the non-holo pulled will be PSA 10 ($450), third is assuming that the rare card pulled is a PSA 9 ($300). Pull rate for a particular holo card is 1/15 since machamp is not found in booster packs.
Lmk if any # are drastically off, but from what I see, $2k is on the higher end, but reasonable and understandable since sellers will want the highest justifiable EV of 1550 while buyers will want the most realistic EV of 450 (since non-holos are usually gem mint cond. when pulled). Again, keep in mind that the EV is only taking into consideration the rare card, and the values I’ve attached are more conservative estimates. The common/uncommon cards all have some value to them as well but for the sake of simplicity are 0.
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I find it interesting that the only video shown is them just weighing the packs. Why are they trying to prove theres 12 heavy packs? Surely a prominent company like DA could just upload the video of the box opening, like shadypenguin and pokemonrev, safely package the packs and sell them off. Just seems a bit sketchy, even though I’m sure it’s legit. Regardless, $2000 per pack is quite the expense!
Their intention was just to show that the heavy packs had not been opened – that’s not the problem. It’s the company’s reputation, imo, that’s the problem. Just my opinion about the company.
I doubt this will happen in any significant way tbh.
DAC has a tiny footprint, these large scale “exposure events” have to be on the level of Gary’s pawn stars video or Pokemon Go.
What DAC is doing atm is similar when people speak of Pokemon having mainline games on the Switch as something that will bring a substantial amount of people into hardcore collecting… a Pokemon game on the switch is just preaching to the choir, so is DAC doing something like this.
This is the very opposite of appealing to the lowest common denominator.
They say very quickly that they bought an open box from Pokemon in the weighing video.
Had to watch the video a few times to pick that up though, it’s not very clear. They should have gone into greater detail.
I don’t think they bought it opened, their beat up box isn’t on the store anymore, it’s probably that one and they opened it.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking as well. A box with a corner pushed in looks much less appealing when it’s sitting next to 2 or 3 mint boxes.
I picked-up on that while watching the video; although, I am really not sure why they said that… As someone already pointed-out, one of their 1st Ed. Base Boxes has been removed from their website / eBay Store. Plus, if you read the YouTube / Website Description, they actually say that they opened a 1st Ed. Base Box:
This was a factory sealed box, we have not searched or cherry-picked the packs. Verification of the heavier packs still being present in this box is viewable here and as seen in the video, the box was then secured with serial numbered security tape. Seal will be broken on camera during the break.
Strict pack for pack value aside, the whole thing looks pretty tacky to me.
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