You would have to assume every pack whose EV is higher opened than sealed would in fact be opened.
This service would have to be 100% accurate to exist and you can bet people will video their openings, a few mistakes and the whole company and idea goes belly up. It’s in their best interest to do things the right honest way because if it works as intended the sky is the limit with all TCGs and Sports.
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@Dirge The first video released with the watermark “Wade” that was linked in the other topic about this was also done to scan for fakes. Tests were done (I dont know how detailed they were) and the result was that fakes used a much lower quality card and the foils were not clear, so yes this method could be used for fake authentication and I believe there was a process in the works of being patented.
Currently there arent enough details about the reliability of this when it comes to full older boxes, modern boxes, or numerous other product.
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That’s true! I’m assuming the company is fine and just focusing on the bigger issue of pairing the scan with the item. If this were streamlined by the bigger grading companies I’d imagine they would figure out a solution.
I’m curious if that solution was encapsulation how people would feel.
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Technological breakthroughs often lead to exaggerated fear and paranoia among uninformed collectors. I expect that this release will make selling loose vintage packs even more work than it is worth, as buyers will be unnecessarily fearful and paranoid that they were scammed.
Personally, this service doesn’t affect me at all. I am not really into sealed product, and most of the sealed product that I do or intend to own is unlikely to be opened or sold anyway. For example, I own master foil sets of MTG releases where this technology could be exploited. But if I am buying a box from that set, it’s to keep sealed as I will already own everything inside.
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Did industrial scanning exist as a company before this? Or are they just jumping on this
Atleast this could be a way to legitimize vintage boxes. Maybe you can request not to know the pulls?
Looks like they are just jumping on this. As of a month ago they had nothing to do with cards based on their site, although it looks like they perform quality checks through scans for industrial commercial hardware. Not sure what exactly that means for cards but I have heard of companies being able to do this to confirm quality control specs for industries that require very specific materials or tolerances being maintained.
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I’m going to guess they’d do this the same way that box breakers do it with tamper-evident sealed bags.
Pokemon just need to have 2 code cards in their pack, on both sides, made of lead.
Simple
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Heard, we just fundamentally disagree on a hope and push for growth in all TCGs
You already offered a solution in this exact thread a few messages above which is perfectly adequate and has industry history.
Just because one company has announced or expressed interest in offering a commercial option to verify the contents of these packs doesn’t mean they’re running the show now… I think if any businesses are reading E4 and possess a CT scanner and are looking to offer this service to the PTCG community, then providing a watermark, sticker, etc. as you’ve laid out would be an excellent solution.
All in all, I think the most relatable argument from anyone I’ve heard is “it takes the joy out of the equation.” 
I think we can all agree on that, it’s just a matter of how popular this becomes and how the community holds the businesses that might offer these services accountable going forward.
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: pray :
Well that was fast.
I have a personal sense of disappointment and sadness because it seems like each exciting element of collecting is slowly being eliminated in favor of optimization for money. With the invention of every new optimization technique, not only do you lose part of the joy of collecting, you lose trust in your fellow collectors and sellers.
However, on a moral level, there isn’t anything wrong with this. It’s effectively just pack weighing but more advanced. Optimization is a reality and once a new technique emerges you can’t put the genie back in the bottle so to speak. So the only thing you can do is accept the new reality and work with it. Which I think is part of the reason why it’s so demoralizing when something like this comes out.
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is sealed vintage gonna tank
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Where was this when I was opening up POP Series 5 packs like a maniac back in 2015? 
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you would prolly have to step it up in value a bit more for it to be worth it, such as 1st ed/shadowless at least. in fact, 1st ed base would probably be the best set to do this with, since heavies are like 7k+ already.
they will eventually figure out how to scan booster boxes correctly, which might be pretty bad for a lot of these “investors” collections 
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Everyone, time to get in on/invest in Pop Series 5 for being the premier unweighable and un-CT-scannable pack.
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i think the value of the scanning would be to the seller i.e. you wouldn’t sell the pack as scanned xyz holographic is inside. you would instead scan your heavies and sell off everything that doesn’t have a charizard inside for e.g. (not mentioning that they had been scanned).
so i can see the value of these sealed loose packs plummeting because of this.
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I have my opinion now
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Hi everyone.
We’ve read all the comments and there is great feedback from all sides of the topic.
To be clear - we are an inspection company specialized in a variety of processes, one of which being digital X-ray and CT scanning. We are not TCG experts in any way, and stumbled upon this niche application by accident. The only way to make this service a positive value proposition was to remove our evaluation time from the equation. Otherwise, it would be too expensive for anyone to use the service. At the same time, as a business, of course we are looking for ways to pay our bills.
We are all ears and welcome feedback in order to legitimize the service and make it value added for this industry. We see the calls that we are scammers, that we plan to swap packs, that we are the new kid on the block. We get it. So what can we do?
How do we make things tamper proof? How do we offer this service while not “clipping” pack corners. Obviously no one would participate if that was a stipulation. Our best idea was to put product safety on the client (tamper proof packaging), not us.
Because this capability is no longer secret we would like to work together with the community to iron out all the details.
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