WHEN WILL THIS SHIP?

It’s pretty unreal to be called entitled and suffering from “everyone gets a trophy syndrome” in this thread from people arguing against being inconvenienced and only willing to ship on their own terms.

Especially when I take the effort to hold myself to what is clearly a higher standard of customer service when I sell something.

How about I spell it out clearly. To anyone who doesn’t like when customers ask where their item is: get off your lazy ass and ship it faster. If there’s some limitation that prevents you from being able to ship more frequently then get used to these messages and just deal with them because the problem is that you are providing a substandard level of service. Not compared to Amazon. To the standard set by other Ebayer sellers.

I don’t think anyone is going to change their mind in this so if you disagree, that’s fine. I’ll happily continue to not receive these kinds of messages on Ebay. I’m not sure what else to say so hopefully this will be my last post on this thread

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WARNING: DEEPLY UNPOPULAR TAKE AHEAD

@op: Seems like you’re getting kind of dragged here, so I’ll throw down some support. Will probably get some hate for this, but w/e, I’m feeling feisty.

Buyers who don’t read the description are fucking idiots and I have ZERO sympathy for them if they end up getting shafted as a result. Do you have to click an extra button to see it on mobile? Yeah. Is that stupid? Yeah, of course. Is it still very, very, very easy and something you should do if you plan on spending money on something? Yeah, obviously. I used to think sellers who put “READ DESCRIPTION” in their listing titles were morons (because I couldn’t imagine anyone stupid enough to buy an item without reading the description), but after reading some of the replies/anecdotes in this thread, I’m reevaluating my position! Then again, I regularly get people messaging me asking a question that is literally answered in the TITLE OF THE ITEM, so that might not do much good anyway!

Regarding the “shipping once a week” debate: eBay allows you to set your handling time as up to thirty days. A max turnaround of 7 days is on the long end, but don’t let these people talk you into thinking you’re an incompetent/bad seller for shipping infrequently. You are dead honest and upfront about how often/when you ship, and if a buyer doesn’t like it, they can buy the fucking card elsewhere. People on here talk a reaaaally big game when it comes to “don’t like the price? don’t buy the card,” but “don’t like the turnaround time? buy the card somewhere else” is suddenly, like, radical and unreasonable and inapplicable. Like somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, Amazon has fucked up peoples’ expectations when it comes to buying goods online.

Likewise, pretty much everybody at this point has come to terms with PSA turnaround times of, like, a YEAR. PSA, a wildly successful multimillion-dollar company, was hit with an unexpected influx of business, was unable to rapidly scale accordingly, and basically said “shut up and be patient, we’re trying our best.” I was initially suuuuper critical of what I saw as a catastrophic business failure, but I’ve come to believe they actually tried their best and just couldn’t do it. And, of course, if you don’t like the turnaround time… grade somewhere else! However, why are we so willing to give a massive corporation a pass for being overwhelmed and extending turnaround times (by orders of magnitude) but it’s impossible to believe that a private individual with a job, family, friends, other responsibilities, other hobbies, etc. might not be able to ship out for a week? A week is not a very long time. I’ve been nonstop busy for a week before, or VIRTUALLY nonstop busy enough that I need to rest during the handful of hours I’m not occupied. Packing and mailing a bunch of orders, even printing the labels at home, is time-consuming and tiring.

If you’re upfront and honest about your handling/shipping times in your listings, you are doing nothing wrong. In fact, you’re doing your potential buyers a FAVOR by explicitly warning them that the turnaround might be longer than they’re used to! If a buyer is going through withdrawals and urgently needs their cardboard fix ASAP—sitting on their porch scratching their arms and frantically watching the mailbox with bloodshot eyes—you’d think they’d check what the handling time says, either in the description or in the info box.

It’s the secondary market. There historically has not been, and should not be, any expectation of business-like expediency (even less so when the listing literally fucking spells out the turnaround time). The sellers are predominantly normal people, with normal lives and responsibilities; holding individuals flipping on the side to the same standards you do Amazon (or even Troll and Toad) is ridiculous. The people that don’t bother to read the listing and complain about slow shipping are the same people messaging you “hey you still interested?” “hey” “hey” “hey man” when you don’t reply to their Facebook message about a deal for a couple hours. Like they’ll literally die if you don’t buy or sell them a shiny piece of paper within the next day. The entitlement is insane.

Keep doing you, man. It’s not a violation of any eBay policy, it’s not ethically wrong, it’s not irresponsible, it’s not anything. The onus is entirely on buyers who don’t read the item details. If I had a card listed with a crease that’s not clearly visible in the photo, I say in the description that there’s a crease and describe it. If somebody bought it and tried to return it because they didn’t realize it was creased, I’d tell them to go fuck themselves, escalate it as high as I had to, and win the case.

I realize all of this is a seemingly unpopular take, but I’m absolutely baffled by the replies here. Is it somehow not standard practice for you all (many of the top collectors in the hobby) to just read listing descriptions?! Like, the seller is somehow in the wrong for shipping slower than others, despite making that explicitly clear that would be the case in the listings?? If he loses business, he loses business, but to imply a max 7-day turnaround time (again, DECLARED, no less!) is “wrong” and a bad selling practice is incredibly misguided IMO. Just read the fucking listing. You should be doing it anyway.

EDIT: Also, for those of you fellow vendors with faster turnaround times and a “stronger commitment to buyer satisfaction”… good for you! That’s great! Perhaps some of OP’s customers will come your way. I kind of doubt it, though, because in my experience the majority of buyers are well-adjusted, patient adults who don’t care about waiting a few more days for their order. Not petulant, unreasonable man-children who NEEEEEED NEED NEED NEEEEEED their cardboard ASAP but are simultaneously too stupid to look at the handling time on the listing.

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Sellers only willing to ship on their own terms!? Monsters to do business as they wish. Let’s speak to their manager!

But seriously… Why should anyone have to ship on the buyers terms? This is where you keep losing me personally.

It’s like the international folks who try to stipulate that I should disable GSP and ship directly to them shouldering more risk for no benefit to me. No. I am selling it this way for this price, buy it or don’t buy it. I get that lots of people exist that think like you though, so I am not saying I am surprised that people send these messages or get upset about the slower delivery they agree to when buying my items I just disagree with you in that I say that makes these people entitled.

Re: the whole hidden description thing I get it… but the estimated delivery timeframe is quite evident. A lot of the entitled folks I get messages from are sending the messages on or prior to the very first day of the estimated timeframe.

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Yeah, I don’t really get this. Maybe this is applicable if you’re trying to make a real business out of selling and keep repeat customers/have a golden reputation (or if you’re desperate for cash), but I am neither, so maybe that’s where my lack of understanding comes from. I’m not in any huge hurry to get rid of my cards. If I can tell that a potential buyer is going to naggy, pushy, constantly tweaking about the status of their $10 order, and just generally an annoying problem customer, I just won’t sell to them lol. Not worth the stress for a few bucks. When buyers are easy to work with and patient, which the VAST majority of them are, everybody ends up happy.

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In the UK most delivery companies collect packages either for free or for a very negligible amount. I don’t know what your working situation is but I imagine you may be able to get the item collected from your workplace (or workplace reception).

I think part of the problem is that eBay isn’t really set up to allow custom shipping options like this. They send out a flat invoice and then give some arbitrary prediction of when the item will be delivered even before it’s been posted.

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Yea its my terms because i can and its available. Maybe if you pay me a $120 fee annually I will amend the terms in MY listing and ship in 2 days.
and see thats exactly my point, you and no one else tell me what to do!
and then you parrot back part of my response, nice.

I ship same day or next day. My buyers are happy. It costs me very little to do this with USPS free pickups and UPS paid pickups. If I am only shipping 1 thing that day, I’ll usually ship it USPS knowing the UPS paid pickup ($7ish) isn’t optimized (even tho UPS usually cheaper generally).

Most of my stuff delivered in 2-3 days. Thx to fast UPS ground, USPS priority guaranteed timeframe shipments. Hell almost all singles and slabs fit in a small flat rate box, there is literally no reason not to ship it this way.

My customers are happy. I am happy. Everyone wins.

TLDR: I’m not lazy. I run a business. I care about my customers and want them to have a good experience. IDK why you’d approach selling on ebay any other way. Unless you’re… lazy? entitled? a punk ass 16 year old sneaker flipper?

hm on ebay US you can say exactly how you will ship the item. USPS priority mail, UPS ground. even give multiple options. and you dimensions, weight, etc. so it gives the right price. Even if sometimes the price is off by 10% or so you just swallow the cost… This is how it works on shopify too.

Yes but you can’t be very specific with things like “I only ship on Saturday” or “Shipping method changes if sale is above $100” - you can only do things like that in the description which most people just ignore. The best OP can do is say that they ship the item within 7 days and hope eBay doesn’t tell the buyer that they should receive the card sooner than that.

Mods plz. Plz end this.

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