# what's wrong with this ninetales **URL:** \ **Category:** Market\ **Created:** [April 23, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869 "2020-04-23T17:05:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pokaholic](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokaholic/32/1068_2.png) [@pokaholic](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokaholic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/1 "2020-04-23T17:05:53Z")
[www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Pokemon-Game-Shadowless-Holo-Ninetales-12-PSA-AUTH-PWCC/353055580152?hash=item5233c09ff8:g:47gAAOSwzrZenH7D](https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Pokemon-Game-Shadowless-Holo-Ninetales-12-PSA-AUTH-PWCC/353055580152?hash=item5233c09ff8:g:47gAAOSwzrZenH7D) 580$ right now, what am I missing? ---
**Author:** ![god](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/god/32/822_2.png) [@god](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/god)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/2 "2020-04-23T17:08:48Z")
> [@pokaholic](#): > > [www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Pokemon-Game-Shadowless-Holo-Ninetales-12-PSA-AUTH-PWCC/353055580152?hash=item5233c09ff8:g:47gAAOSwzrZenH7D](https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Pokemon-Game-Shadowless-Holo-Ninetales-12-PSA-AUTH-PWCC/353055580152?hash=item5233c09ff8:g:47gAAOSwzrZenH7D) > 580$ right now, what am I missing? What are you missing? Or what is it missing? šŸ˜‰ Itā€™s missing itā€™s attack damage. ā€œNo damage ninetalesā€ Very sought after. ---
**Author:** ![pokaholic](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokaholic/32/1068_2.png) [@pokaholic](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokaholic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/3 "2020-04-23T17:14:49Z")
oh well, i seeā€¦ will never understand why people pay that stupid amount of money for error cards, makes no sense to me, as long as it doesnā€™t make the card any more beautiful or special like holo bleeds. ---
**Author:** ![god](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/god/32/822_2.png) [@god](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/god)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/4 "2020-04-23T17:17:05Z")
> [@pokaholic](#): > > oh well, i seeā€¦ will never understand why people pay that stupid amount of money for error cards, makes no sense to me, as long as it doesnā€™t make the card any more beautiful or special like holo bleeds. Different strokes for different folks my friend. Thatā€™s what makes this world and hobby so interesting. ---
**Author:** ![pokaholic](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokaholic/32/1068_2.png) [@pokaholic](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokaholic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/5 "2020-04-23T17:18:35Z")
> [@god](#): > > > [@pokaholic](#): > > > > oh well, i seeā€¦ will never understand why people pay that stupid amount of money for error cards, makes no sense to me, as long as it doesnā€™t make the card any more beautiful or special like holo bleeds. > > Different strokes for different folks my friend. Thatā€™s what makes this world and hobby so interesting. thank god ---
**Author:** ![elvisoak](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/elvisoak/32/1557_2.png) [@elvisoak](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/elvisoak)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/6 "2020-04-23T17:22:23Z")
I know old school PokƩmon collects these Someone message him a link ---
**Author:** ![pokaholic](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokaholic/32/1068_2.png) [@pokaholic](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokaholic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/7 "2020-04-23T17:23:19Z")
> [@elvisoak](#): > > I know old school PokƩmon collects these > Someone message him a link just saw a guy who recently bought that very card ungraded. ---
**Author:** ![kpod](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kpod/32/1132_2.png) [@kpod](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/kpod)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/8 "2020-04-23T17:23:56Z")
If PWCC had actually labeled their listing correctly, instead of always just using the PSA label this auction would probably be getting a lot more exposure and going for even more. ---
**Author:** ![elvisoak](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/elvisoak/32/1557_2.png) [@elvisoak](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/elvisoak)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/9 "2020-04-23T17:24:58Z")
> [@pokaholic](#): > > > [@elvisoak](#): > > > > I know old school PokĆ©mon collects these > > Someone message him a link > > just saw a guy who recently bought that very card ungraded. I donā€™t think psa grades this card anymore so thatā€™s why there are probably more ungraded ones available than there are grades ones I think bgs might still be grading them though ---
**Author:** ![milad101](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/milad101/32/1115_2.png) [@milad101](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/milad101)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/10 "2020-04-23T17:26:40Z")
> [@kpod](#): > > If PWCC had actually labeled their listing correctly, instead of always just using the PSA label this auction would probably be getting a lot more exposure and going for even more. Everytime ive shipped to pwcc they give me the opportunity to edit my listing title before its listed so i wouldnt blame them too much. Super easy to do as well, minimal obstacles ---
**Author:** ![EnlightenedBulbasaur](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/enlightenedbulbasaur/32/536_2.png) [@EnlightenedBulbasaur](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/EnlightenedBulbasaur)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/11 "2020-04-23T17:36:02Z")
Error cards are not my thing at all, but they are sought after by many collectors and, combined with scarcity, thereā€™s your price point. ---
**Author:** ![pfm](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pfm/32/254328_2.png) [@pfm](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pfm)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/12 "2020-04-23T17:42:39Z")
> [@pokaholic](#): > > oh well, i seeā€¦ will never understand why people pay that stupid amount of money for error cards, makes no sense to me, as long as it doesnā€™t make the card any more beautiful or special like holo bleeds. Let me get this straightā€¦ no damage ninetales = lame holo bleeds = cool when did we switch timelines?? ---
**Author:** ![pokaholic](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokaholic/32/1068_2.png) [@pokaholic](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokaholic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 6:15pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/13 "2020-04-23T18:15:52Z")
> [@pfm](#): > > > [@pokaholic](#): > > > > oh well, i seeā€¦ will never understand why people pay that stupid amount of money for error cards, makes no sense to me, as long as it doesnā€™t make the card any more beautiful or special like holo bleeds. > > Let me get this straightā€¦ > no damage ninetales = lame > holo bleeds = cool > > when did we switch timelines?? what the fuck is nice or beautiful about missing some numbers lol ---
**Author:** ![smpratte](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/smpratte/32/79511_2.png) [@smpratte](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/smpratte)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/14 "2020-04-23T18:17:27Z")
@pokaholic, Its about the rarity + history. Ninetales is a staple error card. ---
**Author:** ![EnlightenedBulbasaur](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/enlightenedbulbasaur/32/536_2.png) [@EnlightenedBulbasaur](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/EnlightenedBulbasaur)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/15 "2020-04-23T18:18:57Z")
> [@kpod](#): > > If PWCC had actually labeled their listing correctly, instead of always just using the PSA label this auction would probably be getting a lot more exposure and going for even more. Speaking of PWCC going with whatever the PSA label saysā€¦ [www.ebay.com/itm/1998-Pokemon-Japanese-Rocket-Holo-Dark-Blastoise-9-PSA-9-MINT-PWCC/143584848367?hash=item216e52e9ef:g:jvYAAOSwn4BenHw0](https://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-Pokemon-Japanese-Rocket-Holo-Dark-Blastoise-9-PSA-9-MINT-PWCC/143584848367?hash=item216e52e9ef:g:jvYAAOSwn4BenHw0) ---
**Author:** ![EnlightenedBulbasaur](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/enlightenedbulbasaur/32/536_2.png) [@EnlightenedBulbasaur](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/EnlightenedBulbasaur)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/16 "2020-04-23T18:19:46Z")
> [@smpratte](#): > > @pokaholic , Its about the rarity + history. Ninetales is a staple error card. I would say that Ninetales is the quintessential error card. Itā€™s always the error card I think of first. ---
**Author:** ![muk](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/muk/32/934_2.png) [@muk](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/muk)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/18 "2020-04-23T18:21:01Z")
> [@pokaholic](#): > > > [@pfm](#): > > > > Let me get this straightā€¦ > > no damage ninetales = lame > > holo bleeds = cool > > > > when did we switch timelines?? > > what the fuck is nice or beautiful about missing some numbers lol Well what is nice or beautiful about childrenā€™s cardboard in general? If there are enough people enjoying it, it generates a certain value. Itā€™s just what it is and arguing about it doesnā€™t lead anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![professoroakcali](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/professoroakcali/32/1455_2.png) [@professoroakcali](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/professoroakcali)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/19 "2020-04-23T18:23:02Z")
The No Damage is definitely a classic. Pokemon errors are seeing a massive increase in price and demand atm. I bet that No Damage goes for $750+. ---
**Author:** ![pfm](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pfm/32/254328_2.png) [@pfm](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pfm)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/20 "2020-04-23T18:40:03Z")
> [@pokaholic](#): > > > [@pfm](#): > > > > Let me get this straightā€¦ > > no damage ninetales = lame > > holo bleeds = cool > > > > when did we switch timelines?? > > what the fuck is nice or beautiful about missing some numbers lol As illustrated by your original post, the No Damaged Ninetales translates into a real value increase on the market as itā€™s an established and recognized error and has been for years. Holo bleeds arenā€™t really a thing that people paid attention to until recently and outside of some specific cases, they donā€™t typically translate into much additional value on the market. Not that thereā€™s anything wrong about holo bleeds or collecting them, and itā€™s not that money is the only thing that matters. But what is clear is that in general people care more about the missing number than some holo showing through on a card, which is reflected in the market premium. Other members above have touched on some reasons why. ---
**Author:** ![pokaholic](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokaholic/32/1068_2.png) [@pokaholic](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokaholic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869/21 "2020-04-23T18:40:58Z")
> [@smpratte](#): > > @pokaholic , Its about the rarity + history. Ninetales is a staple error card. > [@pfm](#): > > > [@pokaholic](#): > > > > what the fuck is nice or beautiful about missing some numbers lol > > As illustrated by your original post, the No Damaged Ninetales translates into a real value increase on the market as itā€™s an established and recognized error and has been for years. Holo bleeds arenā€™t really a thing that people paid attention to until recently and outside of some specific cases, they donā€™t typically translate into much additional value on the market. Not that thereā€™s anything wrong about holo bleeds or collecting them, and itā€™s not that money is the only thing that matters. > But what is clear is that in general people care more about the missing number than some holo showing through on a card, which is reflected in the market premium. Other members above have touched on some reasons why. > [@muk](#): > > > [@pokaholic](#): > > > > what the fuck is nice or beautiful about missing some numbers lol > > Well what is nice or beautiful about childrenā€™s cardboard in general? If there are enough people enjoying it, it generates a certain value. Itā€™s just what it is and arguing about it doesnā€™t lead anywhere. > [@anon83099482](#): > > > [@pokaholic](#): > > > > what the fuck is nice or beautiful about missing some numbers lol > > Itā€™s not so much about niceness or beauty, error cards will gain popularity often on how interesting the error is, along with the rarity of it. > > Any holo card can have some amount of holo bleed. Thereā€™s like two different cards ever where they forgot to print attack damage. yeah i get why itā€™s rare and valuable, but i will never understand what people like about it, other than the fact that itā€™s very rare. i collect cards because i like the look of them, i will never buy a card that is very valuable just because it has an error. same with the no rarity japanese base set cards - yes there is no rarity, yes itā€™s very rare - so what. [Next page](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-ninetales/26869.md?page=2)