What are your unpopular opinions in pokemon?

[muk]

@inertgeometry

@nish

Web is the best looking E series set

probably because of all of those japanese exclusives that were repackaged into an english set.

How do you mean that? Web was only released in Japan and it did not repackage any Japanese-exlusive cards into English. It’s quite the opposite, there are originally English-exclusive cards (the legendary birds) that are only available in Japanese due to being released in Web.

It’s been a long day tho, so I might just be too tired to understand your comment.

[Josh]

@inertgeometry

@Josh

I have thought about Base Set art before in this context. The way I see it is that it’s THE introductory set to Pokémon, the purpose being to showcase new creatures called Pokémon, and particularly to highlight the characters most prevalent in the first games, i.e. the starter evolutions, Gyarados, Zapdos etc. Because of this Base art was never going to be much more than portraiture, and honestly didn’t need to be more than portraiture.

What (at least in my view) Base holos benefitted from was a good proportion of artwork to holofoil, particularly that gorgeous rich holofoil in 1st ed base and shadowless - god that holo looks good. Once people became familiarised with Pokémon, what they do, and what the Pokemon ‘world’ is about, it basically gave TPC license to create more abstract arts in later sets without confusing the consumer base as to what the hell was going on with these new collectible cardboard creatures. More creative license = easier to deliver better art. That’s just my take though.

cant really agree with cards like abra and dragonair in the set, not to mention the 3 first partner first forms. they did plenty of creative illustrations. just nowhere near as many as any set afterwards, which makes it objectively the worst.

Base set is not “objectively” the worst, that’s factually incorrect.

[wooltchi]

@shinycards

Can’t quite put my finger on it, but I feel like a lot of the Japanese vintage cards are uglier than their English counterparts. For some reason Gym Heroes and Challenge holos come to mind…

Maybe something to do with the thicker header and HP/LV running onto a second line? Team Rocket seems to follow the same trend

At the same time I love Japanese cards like Fossil Articuno and Dragonite, I probably prefer them to the English versions from Base, Jungle and Fossil because of the cosmos holo

I think its the fact that the japanese version seems more washed out in its colors as well.

[lavendergengar]

@inertgeometry

@Josh

Team Rocket was the worst WOTC set with unexciting cards and I can’t understand why it gets so much love. Even the chase cards like Dark Charizard, Dark Blastoise and Dark Dragonite are “just OK”. I remember the sheer disappointment as a kid if I went to Woolworths at the weekend to spend my pocket money on 2 boosters and Team Rocket was the only packs they had. Bleghh.

meh. objectively base set is the worst wotc set of all time if you look at artwork. talk about “ok”. just a stock image with some generic background. completely uninspired

You are wrong. Obectively the worst are Gym Heroes/Challenge. Most of the cards use stock art, way more than Base Set

[c0ll3ct0r]

The notion of “stock” Base is ridiculous.

When Base was released, Sugimoris S-tier art hadn’t experienced 20+ years of commercial saturation based on that very fact and the backgrounds not being in natura or leaning more on the monochromatic side is not some auto-disqualifier for quality.

If people want all their cards to look like vending Caterpie then that is their prerogative as individuals, but I’m not a fan of how this whole “fuck early wotc”-thingy is slowly retarding into some wannabe art counsel where the word “objective” is used on an increased frequency.

[sherbert13]

@c0ll3ct0r

The notion of “stock” Base is ridiculous.

When Base was released, Sugimoris S-tier art hadn’t experienced 20+ years of commercial saturation based on that very fact and the backgrounds not being in natura or leaning more on the monochromatic side is not some auto-disqualifier for quality.

If people want all their cards to look like vending Caterpie then that is their prerogative as individuals, but I’m not a fan of how this whole “fuck early wotc”-thingy is slowly retarding into some wannabe art counsel where the word “objective” is used on an increased frequency.

At least you can take some reassurance that the people using the word “Objective” evidently don’t know it’s meaning. Or maybe they misspelt Subjective

[inertgeometry]

@muk

@inertgeometry

probably because of all of those japanese exclusives that were repackaged into an english set.

How do you mean that? Web was only released in Japan and it did not repackage any Japanese-exlusive cards into English. It’s quite the opposite, there are originally English-exclusive cards (the legendary birds) that are only available in Japanese due to being released in Web.

It’s been a long day tho, so I might just be too tired to understand your comment.

lol sorry i had just woken up
i guess i meant that it had cards that were translated.

[inertgeometry]

@sherbert13

@c0ll3ct0r

The notion of “stock” Base is ridiculous.

When Base was released, Sugimoris S-tier art hadn’t experienced 20+ years of commercial saturation based on that very fact and the backgrounds not being in natura or leaning more on the monochromatic side is not some auto-disqualifier for quality.

If people want all their cards to look like vending Caterpie then that is their prerogative as individuals, but I’m not a fan of how this whole “fuck early wotc”-thingy is slowly retarding into some wannabe art counsel where the word “objective” is used on an increased frequency.

At least you can take some reassurance that the people using the word “Objective” evidently don’t know it’s meaning. Or maybe they misspelt Subjective

i definitely meant it as without opinion. if you break it down and compare it to every other set without any context (being the first TCG set, etc), it has less impressive artwork.

however, i forgot how much of the gym sets were dominated by sugimori and that style of a pokemon with a washed out stock background. i think it is fair to say those are worse from that standpoint or at least on the same level.

still think rocket, jungle, and fossil are better simply with the number of cards by himeno (butterfree, golem, and dark charmeleon are all great examples from each set)

and then after that, all of the neo sets are another tier above these. after that, e series would be another tier above those.

it’s ok to still like these sets even though their art is less diverse/has less dimension/expression/etc. no need to take it personally

[inertgeometry]

@lavendergengar

@inertgeometry

meh. objectively base set is the worst wotc set of all time if you look at artwork. talk about “ok”. just a stock image with some generic background. completely uninspired

You are wrong. Obectively the worst are Gym Heroes/Challenge. Most of the cards use stock art, way more than Base Set

you’re right. i overlooked how much of those sets seemed to be scrapping together doodles and pairing them with a portfolio of backgrounds

[sherbert13]

@inertgeometry

@sherbert13

At least you can take some reassurance that the people using the word “Objective” evidently don’t know it’s meaning. Or maybe they misspelt Subjective

i definitely meant it as without opinion. if you break it down and compare it to every other set without any context (being the first TCG set, etc), it has less impressive artwork.

however, i forgot how much of the gym sets were dominated by sugimori and that style of a pokemon with a washed out stock background. i think it is fair to say those are worse from that standpoint or at least on the same level.

still think rocket, jungle, and fossil are better simply with the number of cards by himeno (butterfree, golem, and dark charmeleon are all great examples from each set)

and then after that, all of the neo sets are another tier above these. after that, e series would be another tier above those.

it’s ok to still like these sets even though their art is less diverse/has less dimension/expression/etc. no need to take it personally

Yet again, your ‘subjective’ opinions

[lavendergengar]

The Neo Premium file 2 Charizard is the most underrated Old School Charizard

[inertgeometry]

@sherbert13

@inertgeometry

i definitely meant it as without opinion. if you break it down and compare it to every other set without any context (being the first TCG set, etc), it has less impressive artwork.

however, i forgot how much of the gym sets were dominated by sugimori and that style of a pokemon with a washed out stock background. i think it is fair to say those are worse from that standpoint or at least on the same level.

still think rocket, jungle, and fossil are better simply with the number of cards by himeno (butterfree, golem, and dark charmeleon are all great examples from each set)

and then after that, all of the neo sets are another tier above these. after that, e series would be another tier above those.

it’s ok to still like these sets even though their art is less diverse/has less dimension/expression/etc. no need to take it personally

Yet again, your ‘subjective’ opinions

yeah i guess if you’re partial to that style of art, it would be your subjective opinion that it isn’t worse than other stuff. i guess i was assuming we were talking about it from a technical perspective. my bad.

[SeasidePokemon]

Unpopular opinion: art is subjective…

[alchemyst]

@inertgeometry

@sherbert13

Yet again, your ‘subjective’ opinions

yeah i guess if you’re partial to that style of art, it would be your subjective opinion that it isn’t worse than other stuff. i guess i was assuming we were talking about it from a technical perspective. my bad.

Even if it was from a technical perspective, it would still be subjective, unless everyone agreed on the parameters

[neoashuri]

Thiss is my first post and not entirely too sure its an unpopular opinion as its only half about pokemon but:
the higher rarity modern yugioh singles such as starlight rares and ghost rares are a better investment than the higher rarity modern pokemon singles.
I still think sealed modern pokemon is obviously better and I love the alt arts (especially the umbreon from evolving skies) but im a pokemon collector and ive been looking at yugioh singles such as the starlight rares and I honestly dont know why more people dont look to invest in them - they hardly ever lose that much value and are genuinley rarer - maybe because its not as popular of a TCG but as a collector just wanted to share my thoughts.

Sorry its not directly pokemon related but maybe someone might want to discuss cross collecting and give an insight with their thoughts.

[lavendergengar]

@neoashuri

Thiss is my first post and not entirely too sure its an unpopular opinion as its only half about pokemon but:
the higher rarity modern yugioh singles such as starlight rares and ghost rares are a better investment than the higher rarity modern pokemon singles.
I still think sealed modern pokemon is obviously better and I love the alt arts (especially the umbreon from evolving skies) but im a pokemon collector and ive been looking at yugioh singles such as the starlight rares and I honestly dont know why more people dont look to invest in them - they hardly ever lose that much value and are genuinley rarer - maybe because its not as popular of a TCG but as a collector just wanted to share my thoughts.

Sorry its not directly pokemon related but maybe someone might want to discuss cross collecting and give an insight with their thoughts.

Nah, Yugioh cards are messy and ugly

[eeveeteam]

@neoashuri, everybody and their mother are sitting on sealed modern as an “investment” right now.
Hard to see it do much of anything long term that couldn’t be outdone by a normal stock market investment. Having to store sealed product and risk of damage due to shipping 10 years from now doesn’t sound fun to me.

[smpratte]

@eeveeteam

@neoashuri, everybody and their mother are sitting on sealed modern as an “investment” right now.
Hard to see it do much of anything long term that couldn’t be outdone by a normal stock market investment. Having to store sealed product and risk of damage due to shipping 10 years from now doesn’t sound fun to me.

Evolutions entered the chat

[nish]

5ban bad, evolutions good(now), gen 2 good, bad art bad and also good art good, wotc overrated

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[lyleberr]

@nish

5ban bad, evolutions good(now), gen 2 good, bad art bad and also good art good, wotc overrated

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Charizard should be in every set.

Am I doing it right?