The Old Giant English Market Thread BC

[fresco]

@admiral

I’ll probably just wait a few years for them to start getting graded

Not really easy to find the mint cards in Australia, and paying $25 for shipping on each card from the US doesn’t sound fun to me lol

I can see plenty of mint cards available in the US, so I’m sure they will get graded eventually

For those of us who are in far away countries from the US, we gotta search for vendors who got several cards to avoid paying $25 for each. I know that struggle .

[admiral]

I still feel like plenty of things are still very cheap. One day in the future we are going to look back on sub $1k EX Holo prices and wish we bought more.

If only there were more awesome looking cards

[mcorey777]

@admiral

I still feel like plenty of things are still very cheap. One day in the future we are going to look back on sub $1k EX Holo prices and wish we bought more.

If only there were more awesome looking cards

In my eyes almost everything is still real cheap. When compared to how old and historical some of the sets they come from are. It’s all about the eye of the beholder.

[cullers]

@zorloth

@gottaketchumall

Someone has gotta put together a guide on the rookie card for every Pokemon. That’d be cool for people looking to collect them and also for people who are probably sitting on a bunch of each without knowing what they are.

Here you go

1st English TCG appearances for gens 1-3, first appearance in the set by card #.

How does one determine which neo card is a rookie card? For example is t17 really typhlosion’s rookie card or is it t17 and t18?

[crios711]

@cullers

@zorloth

Here you go

1st English TCG appearances for gens 1-3, first appearance in the set by card #.

How does one determine which neo card is a rookie card? For example is t17 really typhlosion’s rookie card or is it t17 and t18?

17 because it comes before 18 lol.

[odds]

@cullers ,

I’d go off the Japanese set release which would be English #11,#17,#4 that’s how I would define the “rookie” personally

I’d argue #10 isn’t the correct rookie card

Edit:

In terms of rookie card everything will come from Japanese releases, promos wouldn’t be considered a rookie card. To determine the Neo set you just have to look at the Neo Premium File.

[zorloth]

@cullers

@zorloth

Here you go

1st English TCG appearances for gens 1-3, first appearance in the set by card #.

How does one determine which neo card is a rookie card? For example is t17 really typhlosion’s rookie card or is it t17 and t18?

I just went by earlier card # in the set. They could both be considered rookie cards, I think – they were released at the same time, in the same set.

[trevcatchem]

@zorloth

@cullers

How does one determine which neo card is a rookie card? For example is t17 really typhlosion’s rookie card or is it t17 and t18?

I just went by earlier card # in the set. They could both be considered rookie cards, I think – they were released at the same time, in the same set.

Why is one worth so much more than the other? Because its 17 and that’s before 18 or because one is harder to grade than the other?

[kingboo64]

@trevcatchem

@zorloth

I just went by earlier card # in the set. They could both be considered rookie cards, I think – they were released at the same time, in the same set.

Why is one worth so much more than the other? Because its 17 and that’s before 18 or because one is harder to grade than the other?

Cause of T17 mania early this year

[thymeee]

@trevcatchem

@zorloth

I just went by earlier card # in the set. They could both be considered rookie cards, I think – they were released at the same time, in the same set.

Why is one worth so much more than the other? Because its 17 and that’s before 18 or because one is harder to grade than the other?

This is the pop report for these, there are a lot of set collectors and if there are 100 people going for 9 cards it will be a lot more expensive than 100 people going for 88 cards. Even in 9 the card is incredibly hard to grade. On top of that this typhlosion is more popular, t17 looks more alive. It might also be more popular because it is more expensive, but the main point is that T17 is way harder to grade than T18.

[trevcatchem]

@thymeee

@trevcatchem

Why is one worth so much more than the other? Because its 17 and that’s before 18 or because one is harder to grade than the other?

This is the pop report for these, there are a lot of set collectors and if there are 100 people going for 9 cards it will be a lot more expensive than 100 people going for 88 cards. Even in 9 the card is incredibly hard to grade. On top of that this typhlosion is more popular, t17 looks more alive. It might also be more popular because it is more expensive, but the main point is that T17 is way harder to grade than T18.

I see what you’re saying. T17 is more skewed towards 7/8s

[bustyoballs]

Have there been any significant offers on T17?
Even psa has the 10 at $60k+
And those numbers more “conservative” there.

Lugia started selling around $12-13k in 2020 and almost 10copies have been sold in the meantime and we’re now at a 6figure card.
Still no new T17 sale tho with all that money being thrown around…

[surgenius]

@bustyoballs

Have there been any significant offers on T17?
Even psa has the 10 at $60k+
And those numbers more “conservative” there.

Lugia started selling around $12-13k in 2020 and almost 10copies have been sold in the meantime and we’re now at a 6figure card.
Still no new T17 sale tho with all that money being thrown around…

yes. will not disclose though. all unsolicited. proper marketing would garner favorable return. maybe the 10th… cant see 1/9 moving.

[pikachuisbestpokemon]

Apparently special delivery Pikachu’s with a swirl go for a premium now. I guess this is a thing now?

www.ebay.com/itm/2020-Pokemon-Black-Star-Promo-Special-Delivery-Pikachu-w-Swirl-PSA-10/274643406757?hash=item3ff205cfa5:g:tLsAAOSw4iBf-1Dy

[cullers]

@crios711

@cullers

How does one determine which neo card is a rookie card? For example is t17 really typhlosion’s rookie card or is it t17 and t18?

17 because it comes before 18 lol.

A rookie card is a first release of a card, t17 and t18 were released at the same time. The number system is simply a numerical ordering system for a set.

I’m not saying either answer is wrong, it’s more of a though experiment.

[smpratte]

A rookie card is not always the literal first release of a card. I mentioned this already in another post. A rookie is a combination of the first/early release + popularity. There are earlier michael jordan cards than his 1986 fleer rookie. Just as in Pokémon the coro jigglypuff was before Jungle, but jungle is considered the “rookie”.

[cullers]

@smpratte

A rookie card is not always the literal first release of a card. I mentioned this already in another post. A rookie is a combination of the first/early release + popularity. There are earlier michael jordan cards than his 1986 fleer rookie. Just as in Pokémon the coro jigglypuff was before Jungle, but jungle is considered the “rookie”.

A rookie card is quite literally the first released card to feature the subject, it has nothing to do with popularity or value. Collectors can choose what they wish to collect, sellers can market however they’d like, but the definition of what a rookie card is doesn’t change.

[smpratte]

@cullers

@smpratte

A rookie card is not always the literal first release of a card. I mentioned this already in another post. A rookie is a combination of the first/early release + popularity. There are earlier michael jordan cards than his 1986 fleer rookie. Just as in Pokémon the coro jigglypuff was before Jungle, but jungle is considered the “rookie”.

A rookie card is quite literally the first released card to feature the subject, it has nothing to do with popularity or value. Collectors can choose what they wish to collect, sellers can market however they’d like, but the definition of what a rookie card is doesn’t change.

This is false. There are numerous athletes whose rookies are not the literal first release. Mainly because there are multiple brands with multiple releases. Modern is even more complicated, as there are 100s of “rookie” cards and the one that ends up being the standout is either the rarest and/or most popular. Not the literal first released.

The same is true Pokémon, as mentioned with jigglypuff.

[pfm]

Maybe a bit of hot take but all this rookie talk should not be happening in the english market thread

[PokemonClassics]

@smpratte

@cullers

A rookie card is quite literally the first released card to feature the subject, it has nothing to do with popularity or value. Collectors can choose what they wish to collect, sellers can market however they’d like, but the definition of what a rookie card is doesn’t change.

This is false. There are numerous athletes whose rookies are not the literal first release. Mainly because there are multiple brands with multiple releases. Modern is even more complicated, as there are 100s of “rookie” cards and the one that ends up being the standout is either the rarest and/or most popular. Not the literal first released.

The same is true Pokémon, as mentioned with jigglypuff.

I always assumed “rookie card” originated from sports cards; any card featuring an athlete in their rookie season would be a rookie card. I like Scott’s definition here, though Pokemon don’t have a “rookie season,” so the standard may not me an exact comparison.