There’s a cultural aspect that we’re missing that might explain why that card is valued more highly in Japan.
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I prefer the Suzukisan card. Both are very rare and fly under the radar:
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saw this recently for auction somewhere, for the very first time. how do we not have Katy Perry x Post Malone version of this card for 25th anni???
(and that right there plays into what everyone is saying about cultural differences. Highly doubt japanese people would resonate with Katy Perry and Post Malone and want the card)
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Ah yes, one of the most iconic images from Japanese 90s Pokemon from the Please Trade Album vs that concert everyone already forgot about with ugly mo-capped animation. Quite the contest
Btw the female singer of Suzukisan is Sachiko (which is why the cards are paired), and she is extremely popular in Japan and is still doing Pokemon music to this day
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Minor clarification: The “Trade Please” release was a five-track CD-single (akin to an EP), not a full album.
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anyone got a time machine.
order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1057216484
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1/100 from a no name artist is different from 1/100 of a card from one of the biggest IP’s on the planet. And again, you’re looking at it wrong. If i only had $20,000 to spend on a card, would I pick this over something else? Maybe maybe not - but what about the people with $5,000,000 to spend on cards? $20,000 is a drop in the bucket and this is another super rare collectible to add to the collection
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I think that card is within the price range of similarly rare cards. There are way worse offenders in terms of overvalued cards. Didn’t a psa 10 masaki gengar sell for 15k?? Not saying masaki promos aren’t great, but for 15k I would try and buy a trophy card instead
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Pah, I don’t want cards with people on it.
With that sort of money I much rather have a Unikarp and put the rest of the money into Fossil Slowpokes.
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What actual trophy cards can you buy for 15k?
Maybe a modern Japanese one, but those CGI sucks compared to a Masaki Gengar.
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2005 Champion‘s League was just slightly above $15k. The Neo No. 2 Trainer sold for $20k. There are still some trophy cards in the $15-20k range. Modern trophies (2011-2021) might even be available below $15k.
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I won this last night, an old back trophy card www.ebay.com/itm/144115952764 seems pretty within reach of someone who wants to spend $15k
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Championship Arena / autumn battle road seems well within reach, although the prices of WTS seem hyper inflated (including my own, which I bumped to $25k) and highly populated (there are almost 10 listings on ebay right now). The card hasn’t sold in PSA 10 in almost a year and was $4k then. I bet you could probably snag someone’s copy for under $10k
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Yes but those are not trophy cards.
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The No. 2 probably sold for only 20k because it has no winner name on it (extra copy)
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That’s an awesome pick up, congratulations!
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Damn, the way each person here determines value of something is fascinating. Some people say they like the ones without the name more than the ones with the name. Some people say oh, it shares art with 50 other cards therefore it is less valuable. Some people say oh it’s an extra copy or oh it’s not the first year it was printed. I honestly can’t even keep up. Thankfully I love the card and my decision to purchase it.
there’s sort of a weird wall with pokemon with some of these cards that tbh, I think will slowly start to break down. The intricacies of “extra copies” or “Shared artwork” are REALLY high barriers to entry. I thought I had done my research before buying this card and everyone comes out of the woodwork with information I had no idea about (which is insanely helpful). It’s all super fascinating, but also daunting. I predict these types of intricacies in perceived value will start to break down over time as less informed “investors” enter the market (whereas today, collectors like most of the people here geek out over those intricacies)
at the end of the day, value comes from whatever people are willing to pay.
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define trophy card to you?
championship arena (no number) was “awarded to participants who won a battle at the final stage”. From bulbapedia basically seems like a tournament “win 2 straight battles to stage 2, 3 straight battles to final stage”
shit man, they give out participation trophies to kids on the soccer team who end up in last place at the end of the season. This feels like an awful more lot like a trophy than something like that =) It’s not a participation prize, which is the opposite end of that spectrum. You had to win to receive it.
Trophy card is an ambiguous term IMO.
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I just cry that I didn’t bid more…
It’s such an amazing card, great history no matter where else you might get that artwork, and - for me at least - some of these cards you will never own with a budget if you are picky. I can afford to be picky for set cards which I am especially on centering but this is a different class all together.
Congrats again!
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@serpintaxt This article by @funmonkey54 talks about a definition briefly (from the third paragraph) and explains it better than I could: ludkinscollectables.com/blog/emerging-markets-minor-trophies-1
The key point is ‘The term "trophy card” is used in the Pokemon collecting world to describe cards awarded as placement prizes (not participation prizes) in major competitions.’ By this definition, Championship Arena is not a trophy card because it was not a placement prize.
That said, you’re right in that it is an ambiguous term, but I feel like that’s because people want to apply it to cards where it really is a stretch. Maybe it’s more a vibe thing. I think most people would class Master’s Scroll as a trophy, but would not class the English Victory Cups as trophies.
*I’ll also add that I don’t think it really matters.
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