# The Bubble test **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Tags:** general-board\ **Created:** [March 20, 2021, 3:59am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160 "2021-03-20T03:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gildri](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/gildri/32/2045_2.png) [@gildri](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/gildri)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/21 "2021-03-22T15:15:37Z")
> [@nish](#): > > > [@gildri](#): > > > > Side note: I am a collector and not here for the $. > > ![](https://efour.b-cdn.net/uploads/default/original/3X/4/3/433bcb0ea0420976b416759166bf516c751d6f3e.png) Haha, the only cash I’ve taken out is starting capital. Some of the cards I want to collect are $20k+, which I’m unwilling to pay. Only way then is to trade up. Which is more fun anyways. Its a trading card game…what fun is it if you just buy everything you want and call it a day? ---
**Author:** ![nish](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/nish/32/1228_2.png) [@nish](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/nish)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 3:23pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/22 "2021-03-22T15:23:17Z")
> [@gildri](#): > > > [@nish](#): > > > > Haha, the only cash I’ve taken out is starting capital. Some of the cards I want to collect are $20k+, which I’m unwilling to pay. Only way then is to trade up. Which is more fun anyways. Its a trading card game…what fun is it if you just buy everything you want and call it a day? I’m just giving you shit man lmao, I don’t really care if you buy out the entire SM market ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ ---
**Author:** ![cooltrainertony](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/cooltrainertony/32/29684_2.png) [@cooltrainertony](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/cooltrainertony)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/23 "2021-03-22T15:47:06Z")
> [@gildri](#): > > > [@nish](#): > > > > > Crimson invasion is 3 1/2 years old > > > no big chase cards > > > no super ultra rare cards > > > obscene amount of product still available in retail and third party > > > booster boxes still list for $150-180 > > > ETBs still \<$60 > > > > sorry bud there’s a reason it’s still new stock priced after this long while similar product like Burning Shadows and Cosmic Eclipse have gone up multiple times over their original value. Nobody wanted CI when it was new and nobody wants it now. Will that change in the future? My crystal ball says “ask again later” > > > > also I like my badges thank you very much > > That describes half the boxes from B&W and XY at one point before their supply became constrained. Emerging powers, primal clash… > > CI is terrible and had a ton of supply, but stayed around retail price during the life of its primary supply. With the primary supply projected to run out in February, it was an easy win to buy sub $100 in January. CI followed the exact same pricing pattern like every box before it. If you are optimizing for gains, it was not the best buy. If you are optimizing for gains while considering risk, it was one of the best buys you could make in January for sealed. > With retraces in singles and the gains on CI, I can trade boxes for vintage set cards and promos at a huge value. Imagine lumping in primal clash with emerging powers and crimson invasion… get a grip man ---
**Author:** ![enigma](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/enigma/32/1623_2.png) [@enigma](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/enigma)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/24 "2021-03-22T16:23:07Z")
> [@cooltrainertony](#): > > > [@gildri](#): > > > > That describes half the boxes from B&W and XY at one point before their supply became constrained. Emerging powers, primal clash… > > > > CI is terrible and had a ton of supply, but stayed around retail price during the life of its primary supply. With the primary supply projected to run out in February, it was an easy win to buy sub $100 in January. CI followed the exact same pricing pattern like every box before it. If you are optimizing for gains, it was not the best buy. If you are optimizing for gains while considering risk, it was one of the best buys you could make in January for sealed. > > With retraces in singles and the gains on CI, I can trade boxes for vintage set cards and promos at a huge value. > > Imagine lumping in primal clash with emerging powers and crimson invasion… get a grip man I mean, if we are talking in terms of some of each era’s least popular sets, then Primal Clash definitely deserves to be mentioned here. It’s bottom 3 XY imo. When the set itself is compared to CI and EP, yeah there’s really no comparison. But comparing the price behavior of these sets once supply dries up is what @gildri is comparing here, and all have increased in price after initial supply depletes, no matter how “bad” the set is. Personally I think this AI is interesting if it is taking available sales data to track supply relative to the market and predict when supply will become scarce based on sales volume and available sales, thus indicating a “good entry point” or a projected time frame where supply will dry up. I’m not surprised that there’s so much hate though. ---
**Author:** ![berrykushbrad](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/berrykushbrad/32/244_2.png) [@berrykushbrad](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/berrykushbrad)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/25 "2021-03-22T16:38:58Z")
> [@nish](#): > > > [@berrykushbrad](#): > > > > I’m new around here as well, who are you to gatekeep and make ultimate decisions on values for an entire future market? I would ask why you liked your own post but it totally makes sense tbh get a grip the guy can invest in a case of S&M if he wants, who tf are you? Nobody cares about your badges. Sorry to be so negative. > > > Crimson invasion is 3 1/2 years old > > no big chase cards > > no super ultra rare cards > > obscene amount of product still available in retail and third party > > booster boxes still list for $150-180 > > ETBs still \<$60 > > sorry bud there’s a reason it’s still new stock priced after this long while similar product like Burning Shadows and Cosmic Eclipse have gone up multiple times over their original value. Nobody wanted CI when it was new and nobody wants it now. Will that change in the future? My crystal ball says “ask again later” > > also I like my badges thank you very much What is wrong with people in this thread acting like they’re all-knowing? Also can you please remind me where I took up for CI? Booster boxes can go up in price separately from the set overall just from scarcity of the actual box and the fact there will possibly still be sealed collectors in the future. You don’t have to be so closed-minded. You said it yourself, the booster boxes list for 150-180 where a couple months ago they were everywhere for $90. What about Steam Siege booster boxes going for $200 and ETBs for $400+when people were whining that the booster boxes were still $80. Or Evolutions for that matter? CI may not be worth that much but it doesn’t mean somebody won’t want a booster box in a few years. People make comments and like posts in this thread then go whine in other threads about “people saying gatekeeping”, and apparently even on discord too lol what a bunch of losers. ---
**Author:** ![berrykushbrad](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/berrykushbrad/32/244_2.png) [@berrykushbrad](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/berrykushbrad)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/26 "2021-03-22T16:48:44Z")
> [@kingboo64](#): > > > [@nish](#): > > > > > Crimson invasion is 3 1/2 years old > > > no big chase cards > > > no super ultra rare cards > > > obscene amount of product still available in retail and third party > > > booster boxes still list for $150-180 > > > ETBs still \<$60 > > > > sorry bud there’s a reason it’s still new stock priced after this long while similar product like Burning Shadows and Cosmic Eclipse have gone up multiple times over their original value. Nobody wanted CI when it was new and nobody wants it now. Will that change in the future? My crystal ball says “ask again later” > > > > also I like my badges thank you very much > > Pretty sure the reason he got so upset is cause he has SM boxes lol No, the only boxes I own are 1 each of VV DA and UM. I got upset because the guy acted like a main antagonist over some Pokemon card chatter lmao. Posts like this are why I don’t even bother with these type of communities, curb your elitism. ---
**Author:** ![gildri](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/gildri/32/2045_2.png) [@gildri](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/gildri)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/27 "2021-03-22T17:07:31Z")
> [@enigma](#): > > > [@cooltrainertony](#): > > > > Imagine lumping in primal clash with emerging powers and crimson invasion… get a grip man > > I mean, if we are talking in terms of some of each era’s least popular sets, then Primal Clash definitely deserves to be mentioned here. It’s bottom 3 XY imo. When the set itself is compared to CI and EP, yeah there’s really no comparison. But comparing the price behavior of these sets once supply dries up is what @gildri is comparing here, and all have increased in price after initial supply depletes, no matter how “bad” the set is. > > Personally I think this AI is interesting if it is taking available sales data to track supply relative to the market and predict when supply will become scarce based on sales volume and available sales, thus indicating a “good entry point” or a projected time frame where supply will dry up. I’m not surprised that there’s so much hate though. Good to hear Primal Clash is more popular than EP. I bought a bunch last July at retail. EP, garbage that it was, was selling around $150 in 2016 and $1300 now. Its sticking to its price pattern despite its lack of popularity. Yeah, who cares about the set. The important thing to me is what is the set’s price pattern, where is it at in that pattern, and can I get it at retail right before its elbow. ---
**Author:** ![kingboo64](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingboo64/32/1534_2.png) [@kingboo64](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/kingboo64)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/28 "2021-03-22T17:08:00Z")
> [@berrykushbrad](#): > > > [@kingboo64](#): > > > > Pretty sure the reason he got so upset is cause he has SM boxes lol > > No, the only boxes I own are 1 each of VV DA and UM. I got upset because the guy acted like a main antagonist over some Pokemon card chatter lmao. Posts like this are why I don’t even bother with these type of communities, curb your elitism. You’re taking this waaay too seriously ---
**Author:** ![berrykushbrad](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/berrykushbrad/32/244_2.png) [@berrykushbrad](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/berrykushbrad)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/29 "2021-03-22T17:16:17Z")
> [@kingboo64](#): > > > [@berrykushbrad](#): > > > > No, the only boxes I own are 1 each of VV DA and UM. I got upset because the guy acted like a main antagonist over some Pokemon card chatter lmao. Posts like this are why I don’t even bother with these type of communities, curb your elitism. > > You’re taking this waaay too seriously I just expected more from a Pokemon community, idk why. I apologize for making assumptions. ---
**Author:** ![gildri](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/gildri/32/2045_2.png) [@gildri](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/gildri)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/30 "2021-03-22T17:30:01Z")
> [@berrykushbrad](#): > > > [@kingboo64](#): > > > > You’re taking this waaay too seriously > > I just expected more from a Pokemon community, idk why. I apologize for making assumptions. @berrykushbrad, Take a deep breath and breathe in the salty air of the entrenched “experts.” That’s the smell of market inefficiency and opportunity. The saltier the better! Take advantage of it and build an epic collection you enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![kingboo64](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingboo64/32/1534_2.png) [@kingboo64](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/kingboo64)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/31 "2021-03-22T17:31:39Z")
> [@berrykushbrad](#): > > > [@kingboo64](#): > > > > You’re taking this waaay too seriously > > I just expected more from a Pokemon community, idk why. I apologize for making assumptions. Uhh I’m pretty sure @effectspore was joking… ---
**Author:** ![nish](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/nish/32/1228_2.png) [@nish](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/nish)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/32 "2021-03-22T17:35:07Z")
> [@berrykushbrad](#): > > > [@nish](#): > > > > > Crimson invasion is 3 1/2 years old > > > no big chase cards > > > no super ultra rare cards > > > obscene amount of product still available in retail and third party > > > booster boxes still list for $150-180 > > > ETBs still \<$60 > > > > sorry bud there’s a reason it’s still new stock priced after this long while similar product like Burning Shadows and Cosmic Eclipse have gone up multiple times over their original value. Nobody wanted CI when it was new and nobody wants it now. Will that change in the future? My crystal ball says “ask again later” > > > > also I like my badges thank you very much > > What is wrong with people in this thread acting like they’re all-knowing? Also can you please remind me where I took up for CI? Booster boxes can go up in price separately from the set overall just from scarcity of the actual box and the fact there will possibly still be sealed collectors in the future. You don’t have to be so closed-minded. You said it yourself, the booster boxes list for 150-180 where a couple months ago they were everywhere for $90. What about Steam Siege booster boxes going for $200 and ETBs for $400+when people were whining that the booster boxes were still $80. Or Evolutions for that matter? CI may not be worth that much but it doesn’t mean somebody won’t want a booster box in a few years. People make comments and like posts in this thread then go whine in other threads about “people saying gatekeeping”, and apparently even on discord too lol what a bunch of losers. You gotta chill man, it’s not that important. You’re gonna pop a blood vessel ---
**Author:** ![pokemon\_matt](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokemon_matt/32/1407_2.png) [@pokemon\_matt](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokemon_matt)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/33 "2021-03-22T17:36:20Z")
Efour: Hey we’re not elitist we’re friendly to newbies! Also efour: this thread. ---
**Author:** ![berrykushbrad](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/berrykushbrad/32/244_2.png) [@berrykushbrad](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/berrykushbrad)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/34 "2021-03-22T17:49:56Z")
> [@nish](#): > > You gotta chill man, it’s not that important. You’re gonna pop a blood vessel ![](https://efour.b-cdn.net/uploads/default/original/3X/a/7/a75b62fd859cf598a0c6b34f9e4799b32761b649.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![fourthstartcg](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/fourthstartcg/32/163893_2.png) [@fourthstartcg](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/fourthstartcg)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:57pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/35 "2021-03-22T17:57:01Z")
New members shouldn’t take things so seriously, we joke around here a lot. That being said, older members don’t need to turn everything into a meme and should recognize that newer members may not be as familiar with the forum. The only people totally in the wrong in this thread are the ones who are trying to proselytize about elitism and gatekeeping over a misunderstood joke. ---
**Author:** ![pfm](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pfm/32/254328_2.png) [@pfm](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pfm)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 6:04pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160/36 "2021-03-22T18:04:32Z")
Weird thread. For the record, having an e4 account does not make you an “elite” “expert” in anything. This is a public forum. If you’re gonna extrapolate the actions of a handful of people to the whole forum, all you’re doing is just confirming whatever bias you had about the forum. [Previous page](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/the-bubble-test/32160.md?page=1)