# Stop trying to make Handcut cards happen **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Tags:** general-board\ **Created:** [October 25, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981 "2018-10-25T16:45:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![smpratte](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/smpratte/32/79511_2.png) [@smpratte](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/smpratte)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/1 "2018-10-25T16:45:07Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > PSA graded my square cut Charizard. i know they would never grade square cut pokemon cards. i think i got lucky, but i dont know why i recieved a 7. the card looks almost perfect condition. no scatches or whitings on the back. probably becuase it is square??. this card probably the most unique card. not only it’s autographed by Misuhiro arita it’s also an error cut card and an error for PSA graded the card. > > [postimg.cc/gallery/37xev5azy/](https://postimg.cc/gallery/37xev5azy/) The card isn’t an error cut, it was hand cut from a sheet. PSA will authenticate a signature on pretty much anything. That is the primary reason it was encapsulated. ---
**Author:** ![smpratte](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/smpratte/32/79511_2.png) [@smpratte](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/smpratte)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/2 "2018-10-25T18:24:34Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > the card is also graded. check the cert #. the card is authenticated as well The card itself is absolutely authentic! However, the cut was done outside of the factory. PSA normally doesn’t grade hand cut cards, but will be more lenient if there is a signature. ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/3 "2018-10-25T19:00:30Z")
Maybe it got a 7 cause there’s ink all over it? ---
**Author:** ![smpratte](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/smpratte/32/79511_2.png) [@smpratte](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/smpratte)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/4 "2018-10-25T19:20:59Z")
> [@KingPokemon](#): > > Maybe it got a 7 cause there’s ink all over it? This is why I have never had a signed card “graded”. I assume they are grading everything besides the signature? ---
**Author:** ![mjisaacs](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/mjisaacs/32/978_2.png) [@mjisaacs](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/mjisaacs)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/5 "2018-10-26T20:03:35Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@smpratte](#): > > > > The card itself is absolutely authentic! However, the cut was done outside of the factory. PSA normally doesn’t grade hand cut cards, but will be more lenient if there is a signature. > > and you said square cut cards are from outside of the factory. like you know everything. checkout this video. and the card even has the black dot on the right corner. [www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUGkPBjJU-4](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUGkPBjJU-4) He wasn’t saying they always come from outside the factory. Just that in your particular case it did, at least that’s how I understood it. The problem with square cut cards is 99% of the time they were made at a later point outside the factory. That makes it really hard to identify that last 1%. The point being there is a chance a card comes like that from the factory, it’s just not very probable. Mjisaacs ---
**Author:** ![smpratte](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/smpratte/32/79511_2.png) [@smpratte](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/smpratte)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/6 "2018-10-26T21:31:29Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@smpratte](#): > > > > The card itself is absolutely authentic! However, the cut was done outside of the factory. PSA normally doesn’t grade hand cut cards, but will be more lenient if there is a signature. > > and you said square cut cards are from outside of the factory. like you know everything. checkout this video. and the card even has the black dot on the right corner. [www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUGkPBjJU-4](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUGkPBjJU-4) 1. WOTC is not Nintendo. 2. Your Charizard was not in the video you provided. 3. Numerous Base set cards were hand cut and sold on the open market. 4. An actual error cut distributed in a pack won’t have 4 pristine corners. This is the dead giveaway. Notice in the video you linked, the corners will naturally have indents due to packaging. 5. Unless you were at an official WOTC event, and can name the staff member, there is no legitimate way to authentic a WOTC square cut card. They were only given to the staff/prizes as jokes. Charizard was not one of them. I couldn’t care less about your item. I am only posting to inform people who have less experience. Enjoy it for what it is, but its not cut from WOTC. ---
**Author:** ![ssjc](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/ssjc/32/756_2.png) [@ssjc](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/ssjc)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/7 "2018-10-26T22:06:17Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@smpratte](#): > > > > and you said square cut cards are from outside of the factory. like you know everything. checkout this video. and the card even has the black dot on the right corner. I think someone is just upset they bought a hand cut card off a sheet for $1500 ---
**Author:** ![smpratte](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/smpratte/32/79511_2.png) [@smpratte](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/smpratte)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/8 "2018-10-26T22:51:47Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@ssjc](#): > > > > I think someone is just upset they bought a hand cut card off a sheet for $1500 > > $1500 is not a big thing. i just think he’s too offensive about square cut cards. Sorry facts offend you. ---
**Author:** ![missingno](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/missingno/32/434_2.png) [@missingno](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/missingno)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/10 "2018-10-26T22:56:03Z")
I was wondering why the notifications on this subject was blowing up my phone! I see now, buddy got finessed. ---
**Author:** ![smpratte](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/smpratte/32/79511_2.png) [@smpratte](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/smpratte)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/11 "2018-10-26T22:56:58Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@smpratte](#): > > > > Sorry facts offend you. > > sorry to make you disappointed. these things dont offend me 😊 I don’t care about your card at all. I am only responding in relation to authenticity. Sorry that the seller was ignorant to the origin or didn’t disclose the origin. ---
**Author:** ![megacon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/megacon/32/524_2.png) [@megacon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/megacon)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/13 "2018-10-27T00:30:51Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@anon83099482](#): > > > > Ignoring all what other stuff? > > He pointed out the things that proved the card was hand cut. He didn’t need to then go through every detail on the card which doesn’t prove anything either way. > > > > And correct, the topic is “Show off your error cards”, which is why someone pointed it out when you posted something that wasn’t an error card. > > wasnt an error card? try finding a 2nd square cut charizard graded by PSA. What Scott said earlier was that it’s likely that what got it authenticated and graded was the fact that it was signed. It’s quite easy to get a handcut base card and have write sign it. Not really an error, my man. They’re all just trying to help you ---
**Author:** ![acebren](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/acebren/32/400_2.png) [@acebren](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/acebren)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/14 "2018-10-27T00:46:28Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@ssjc](#): > > > > I think someone is just upset they bought a hand cut card off a sheet for $1500 > > $1500 is not a big thing. i just think he’s too offensive about square cut cards. You didn’t really pay $1500 for it right? ---
**Author:** ![cullers](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/cullers/32/291_2.png) [@cullers](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/cullers)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/15 "2018-10-27T00:57:42Z")
I can’t decide if I like this thread or the hunting thread more, both are just so full of butt hurt. ---
**Author:** ![pfm](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pfm/32/254328_2.png) [@pfm](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pfm)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/17 "2018-10-27T01:11:56Z")
![](https://www.elitefourum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/3/35578dc45f4227f610fe08c9bbdf3dc5322df0af.png) ---
**Author:** ![mjisaacs](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/mjisaacs/32/978_2.png) [@mjisaacs](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/mjisaacs)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/18 "2018-10-27T01:15:04Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@anon83099482](#): > > > > Pretty sure Scott knows how PSA works. > > yall trying to tell me that the card wasnt an error when it’s graded by PSA but cant proof a thing. lol. if everything he saying is evidence and proofs. then i have nothing to say. lol Well @smpratte is the God of the Pokémon card universe soooo… 😊 Mjisaacs ---
**Author:** ![smpratte](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/smpratte/32/79511_2.png) [@smpratte](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/smpratte)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 1:17am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/19 "2018-10-27T01:17:11Z")
![](https://i.imgur.com/SN8gYgv.png) ---
**Author:** ![acebren](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/acebren/32/400_2.png) [@acebren](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/acebren)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/20 "2018-10-27T01:22:40Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@acebren](#): > > > > You didn’t really pay $1500 for it right? > > i really paid $1,500 for the card. and i have many more of a $1,500 to pay for more cards that i like. ouch, that’s an expensive lesson, but by the looks of it you haven’t learned anything ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 1:37am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/21 "2018-10-27T01:37:55Z")
Yes the card is an obvious hand cut (this coming from someone who has authentic WOTC square cuts) but it is also a very cool card and imo, in its current form, worth close to what the young man paid. I’d love to have it;) ---
**Author:** ![missingno](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/missingno/32/434_2.png) [@missingno](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/missingno)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/22 "2018-10-27T01:41:12Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@acebren](#): > > > > ouch, that’s an expensive lesson, but by the looks of it you haven’t learned anything > > I learned a lot. If you have error cards, post them up. These people are saying that it might not be worth $1500. Your opinion is worthless. It does not contribute anything to the fourum 😊 Welcome to E4. ---
**Author:** ![jkanly](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/jkanly/32/368_2.png) [@jkanly](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/jkanly)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 6:26am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981/23 "2018-10-27T06:26:32Z")
> [@tndh](#): > > > [@smpratte](#): > > > > The card itself is absolutely authentic! However, the cut was done outside of the factory. PSA normally doesn’t grade hand cut cards, but will be more lenient if there is a signature. > > and you said square cut cards are from outside of the factory. like you know everything. checkout this video. and the card even has the black dot on the right corner. Neat card! I’m surprised it was graded by PSA. I think you did ok $1500 too;) I want to mention though… that the “black dots” around the edges really provide no validity to the card’s authenticity as a square cut. I’ve noticed some people say that this is how to tell, but that is false. I assure you that it only means that it was cut off of a WOTC sheet (whether hand cut or factory). If you’ve been in the game as Scott and many other experts (Gary, [Not Zelda Gilroy] who commented above has been 100% active in the game since 1998), then you will understand how common it is/was to find sheets/cards that are hand cut. Especially around 2008-2009. Scott is right that it is very likely a hand cut. It has been confirmed years ago that some sheet owners paid to have several base sheets cut, but realistically it’s not that difficult to do yourself… We don’t want to detract from your joy of having the card or it’s value to you. But the truth is nice to know as well 😊 [Next page](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/stop-trying-to-make-handcut-cards-happen/21981.md?page=2)