# Shadowless Charizard PSA 5 vs Unlimited Charizard PSA 9 **URL:** \ **Category:** Market\ **Created:** [July 15, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893 "2018-07-15T14:51:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fireftw\_TCG](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/fireftw_tcg/32/545_2.png) [@Fireftw\_TCG](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/Fireftw_TCG)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893/21 "2018-07-17T17:03:26Z")
Shadowless is a slightly better looking card but they both look great, save and aim for a higher grade if you go for shadowless. A 8 is definitely not unachievable if your patient. It does depend obviously how picky you are. I have a couple of lower grade cards which are fine for now but honestly I would like to upgrade them at somepoint. I think choosing between a shadowless and unlimited base charizard is kind of like choosing between Megan Markle and Scarlet Johansson. Everyone will have a slight preference but whichever one you go with they are both beautiful, you wouldn’t be disappointed 😉 ---
**Author:** ![poken00b88](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/poken00b88/32/244_2.png) [@poken00b88](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/poken00b88)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893/22 "2018-07-18T00:56:22Z")
> [@duceee2](#): > > if money is tight and you can only buy a psa5 shadowless zard i would suggest not buying a psa card at all. i would bookmark the charizard search on ebay and check it regularly and look for cards that could get a 6+. its more risk but alot bigger reward for example i know a shadowless zard popped up a few days ago that looked like a 7 and was listed at £120. > > same with the base unlimited the cost for a 9 to me is not worth it when you can buy raw copies for cheaper and grade urself and who knows you might hit the jackpot and get a 10 😛 i have personally never bought a graded zard and only ever bought raw copys for 30-40 each and i have a few 9s that would have cost me what 150+ each? > > im also not saying its easy to fine raw copy’s in mint condition but if you check it enough you will soon find one you like 😛 in the last few days ive bought 4 and the highest i paid was 59.99 (thats the most ive ever spent on a card) and i expect it to hit a 9 easy > > good luck 😊 I disagree on the base unlimited part. Good for you if you’ve gotten lucky in the past, but I’ve yet to see a mint copy being sold much less than $100. Played copies seem to earn close $50 so I don’t know where you get easy 9s for $30-40. lol $150-160 is very reasonable for a 9. They were $250-300 not too long ago and it’s only a matter of time until they go back up IMO. I hope that’s not the [$59.99 Zard](https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pokemon-Charizard-Base-Set-4-102-Holo-Foil-Rare-NM-/263819652111) you expect to get a 9 easy? ---
**Author:** ![duceee2](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/duceee2/32/697_2.png) [@duceee2](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/duceee2)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 9:37am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893/23 "2018-07-18T09:37:23Z")
> [@poken00b88](#): > > > [@duceee2](#): > > > > if money is tight and you can only buy a psa5 shadowless zard i would suggest not buying a psa card at all. i would bookmark the charizard search on ebay and check it regularly and look for cards that could get a 6+. its more risk but alot bigger reward for example i know a shadowless zard popped up a few days ago that looked like a 7 and was listed at £120. > > > > same with the base unlimited the cost for a 9 to me is not worth it when you can buy raw copies for cheaper and grade urself and who knows you might hit the jackpot and get a 10 😛 i have personally never bought a graded zard and only ever bought raw copys for 30-40 each and i have a few 9s that would have cost me what 150+ each? > > > > im also not saying its easy to fine raw copy’s in mint condition but if you check it enough you will soon find one you like 😛 in the last few days ive bought 4 and the highest i paid was 59.99 (thats the most ive ever spent on a card) and i expect it to hit a 9 easy > > > > good luck 😊 > > I disagree on the base unlimited part. Good for you if you’ve gotten lucky in the past, but I’ve yet to see a mint copy being sold much less than $100. Played copies seem to earn close $50 so I don’t know where you get easy 9s for $30-40. lol > $150-160 is very reasonable for a 9. They were $250-300 not too long ago and it’s only a matter of time until they go back up IMO. > I hope that’s not the [$59.99 Zard](https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pokemon-Charizard-Base-Set-4-102-Holo-Foil-Rare-NM-/263819652111) you expect to get a 9 easy? haha nooo! thats a solid 10 for sure 😁 i duno what turkey is buying them in that condition for that price but its funny 😜 the one i got has no holo scratch at all, the back is all good but a small white dot in the corner and the rest is all good so i cant see it getting anything under a 9. i mainly buy from .co.uk so pound not dollars. also picked up 1 i think will hit a 7-8 for a little over 35 and a legendary collection that looks to a 8-9 for just over 40 all recently. i check the new listings a lot more then i would like to admit so i wouldnt say i got lucky 1-2 times given how many i have/sold. i put a decent amount of effort in looking and trying to negotiate i get most from auction as like most pokemon cards they tend to end lower then the buyitnows. even if you didnt want to put the effort in and bought one at 100$ thats still less then buying a 9 so for people who are on a budget my advice is always buy and grade your own. just have to be patient and not let emotion take ur bidding to the moon 😁 thats how i got my collection and how i make money from my store buying grading then selling them. ---
**Author:** ![poken00b88](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/poken00b88/32/244_2.png) [@poken00b88](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/poken00b88)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893/24 "2018-07-18T17:26:44Z")
> [@duceee2](#): > > > [@poken00b88](#): > > > > I disagree on the base unlimited part. Good for you if you’ve gotten lucky in the past, but I’ve yet to see a mint copy being sold much less than $100. Played copies seem to earn close $50 so I don’t know where you get easy 9s for $30-40. lol > > $150-160 is very reasonable for a 9. They were $250-300 not too long ago and it’s only a matter of time until they go back up IMO. > > I hope that’s not the [$59.99 Zard](https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pokemon-Charizard-Base-Set-4-102-Holo-Foil-Rare-NM-/263819652111) you expect to get a 9 easy? > > haha nooo! thats a solid 10 for sure 😁 i duno what turkey is buying them in that condition for that price but its funny 😜 the one i got has no holo scratch at all, the back is all good but a small white dot in the corner and the rest is all good so i cant see it getting anything under a 9. i mainly buy from .co.uk so pound not dollars. also picked up 1 i think will hit a 7-8 for a little over 35 and a legendary collection that looks to a 8-9 for just over 40 all recently. > > i check the new listings a lot more then i would like to admit so i wouldnt say i got lucky 1-2 times given how many i have/sold. i put a decent amount of effort in looking and trying to negotiate i get most from auction as like most pokemon cards they tend to end lower then the buyitnows. even if you didnt want to put the effort in and bought one at 100$ thats still less then buying a 9 so for people who are on a budget my advice is always buy and grade your own. just have to be patient and not let emotion take ur bidding to the moon 😁 thats how i got my collection and how i make money from my store buying grading then selling them. Fair enough. It’s obviously possible to score some deals on ungraded cards if you know what you’re doing, but I just felt felt the need to point out that it’s misleading to tell OP that he can find PSA 9 worthy Zard for $59.99 or even less. I’ve done fairly well myself in most of my purchases, but we have new members that will see your post, run to ebay and make very very bad decisions… you know what I mean? 😁 ---
**Author:** ![duceee2](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/duceee2/32/697_2.png) [@duceee2](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/duceee2)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893/25 "2018-07-18T19:34:52Z")
> [@poken00b88](#): > > > [@duceee2](#): > > > > haha nooo! thats a solid 10 for sure 😁 i duno what turkey is buying them in that condition for that price but its funny 😜 the one i got has no holo scratch at all, the back is all good but a small white dot in the corner and the rest is all good so i cant see it getting anything under a 9. i mainly buy from .co.uk so pound not dollars. also picked up 1 i think will hit a 7-8 for a little over 35 and a legendary collection that looks to a 8-9 for just over 40 all recently. > > > > i check the new listings a lot more then i would like to admit so i wouldnt say i got lucky 1-2 times given how many i have/sold. i put a decent amount of effort in looking and trying to negotiate i get most from auction as like most pokemon cards they tend to end lower then the buyitnows. even if you didnt want to put the effort in and bought one at 100$ thats still less then buying a 9 so for people who are on a budget my advice is always buy and grade your own. just have to be patient and not let emotion take ur bidding to the moon 😁 thats how i got my collection and how i make money from my store buying grading then selling them. > > Fair enough. It’s obviously possible to score some deals on ungraded cards if you know what you’re doing, but I just felt felt the need to point out that it’s misleading to tell OP that he can find PSA 9 worthy Zard for $59.99 or even less. > I’ve done fairly well myself in most of my purchases, but we have new members that will see your post, run to ebay and make very very bad decisions… you know what I mean? 😁 yeah i get what your saying my dude 😊 i should have also pointed out that it takes a little bit of time to get the hang of what to look for in raw cards and what will effect the score. i know at the start it took me a while and by no means am i perfect at it now 😁 just dont want people on a tight budget to feel they can only buy graded or they cant afford to get into the hobby or cant afford cards they’ve always wanted when sometime (not all the time) its more cost efficient to buy and grade your own. thought it was important to add that for any new members like you said^ i dont want to mislead people into just buying any card and expecting a 9 😁 i do like the fact you are thinking of new members here i respect that alot and il try keeping that in mind with my posting 😊 ---
**Author:** ![kazuki1402](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kazuki1402/32/848_2.png) [@kazuki1402](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/kazuki1402)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 3:45am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893/26 "2018-07-20T03:45:51Z")
If the grade doesn’t affect you then a shadowless \> unlimited because of the ‘charm’ of it being somewhat like a pseudo 1st edition card. I also think it is easier to get a better condition for raw, ungraded unlimited. ---
**Author:** ![thebrandonmoore](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/thebrandonmoore/32/870_2.png) [@thebrandonmoore](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/thebrandonmoore)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893/27 "2018-07-21T23:29:17Z")
> [@maverick75](#): > > Unlimited, it’s not vintage sports cards were a PSA 5 is still considered a high grade. This is true, but will the shadowless 5 be on par with vintage sport cards within the next 15-20 years? Hmm. ---
**Author:** ![thebrandonmoore](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/thebrandonmoore/32/870_2.png) [@thebrandonmoore](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/thebrandonmoore)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893/28 "2018-07-21T23:31:45Z")
Scott did make a video saying shadowless only had one print run, does anyone know roughly the amount printed? ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893/29 "2018-07-22T05:42:45Z")
And he was right. The number is not known though. ---
**Author:** ![jkanly](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/jkanly/32/368_2.png) [@jkanly](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/jkanly)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2018, 7:31am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893/30 "2018-07-22T07:31:57Z")
Do you like binder cards or prefer them to be graded? I personally would have preference for a clean (strong) PSA 9 to the average PSA 5 of same value. If it’s a 5 you’re looking for maybe look into an ungraded copy. Lower grades such as PSA 4 & 5 may not need their encasement to be fully enjoyed. [Previous page](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/shadowless-charizard-psa-5-vs-unlimited-charizard-psa-9/20893.md?page=1)