why talk about april and may 2020, when the future is what matters? are we humans ever good at predicting the future? no. do we ever have enough data and info about the past to be absolutely certain? no. let’s just chill.
But @rainbow, on behalf of all of e4, i just want to say you’ve contributed a lot of good to this platform. i’m a visual person, and your graphs are a definite welcome on this site that has the look of a website built in the last century.
@rainbow,
this forum is great, but the most vocal members are people who make substantial amounts of money off of selling Pokémon cards. It only makes sense that that they will push back on the idea that prices will go down.
so don’t let the comments get you down! I like the graph and also believe that prices will go down. thank you for your contributions!
Agree with this @rainbow keep up the good work.
I like to see neutral opinions or justifications/logic behind statements as some of the posts I see in here are 100% ramps due to a lot of the posters here being vested in selling cards themselves.
You can justify every single card being the holy grail, or any card being complete trash based on a number of different factors. People are overcomplicating simple facts, there are many markets that have had surges in price we all know wont maintain. Look at fitness equipment which has items tripling/quadrupling in price…we know it will go back down once demand flattens and supply is back to normality. We know face masks and hand gels are not 1000% more valueable in the medium to long term. Why does Pokemon cards get a exception because its “rare”…these cards have been “rare” for the last 20 years and as such prices were moving steadily (as they should) but i dont believe people have suddenly woken up to some revolutionary new insight that makes them massively more valuable.
Thanks all
@2007jasdip the fact that they’re “rare” is a bigger factor than you think. Comparing them to items that are constantly mass produced and aren’t bought to be potentially resold in the secondary market, like hand sanitizer and masks, isn’t a fair comparison. Unless you’re talking modern Pokémon, then you could try to make the argument but even then I don’t know if there was ever a shortage of supply of modern comparable to mask and sanitizer shortage since I don’t really follow modern too closely so I won’t speak on that. Sure, there can and will be some price drops; it seems a lot of people believe that there could be some drops for psa 8 and below cards that were at one point kept raw but now are being graded so there could be an influx of supply. You also need to remember that when people pay X price for a rare collectible, they are less likely to want to sell for below that price which helps get prices to stick. Also, you’re talking about an extremely popular collectible that has had very strong growth over the past 5 years or so which helps instill collector confidence as well. It really depends what cards and grade you’re talking about. Lower pop wotc in high grades should be the most stable whereas sub psa 9 non wotc & wotc (depending on the card & set) may see a big uptick in supply and downward pressure on prices.
Yep, got me. My reputation is tarnished by incomplete data.
I’m not taking it personally. Whether the data provides good news or bad, I don’t care just as long as it is accurate. This time it didn’t end that way and i’m not too foolish or stubborn to admit my part in the error.
I’m glad we were able to receive an update and appreciate everyones’s input. I am only human and do the best I can.
@rainbow the charts are great. I think they’re especially helpful for those that don’t pay super close attention to the market and population data because it gives them a quick and easily digestible visual representation of what’s going on. Just don’t take people disagreeing with the conclusion you make from the chart as a sign of ungratefulness. You’re doing the best you can with the information at your disposal. Keep it up
Solely based on the data scraped by pokemonprice.com, the price per graded card sold went from $126 in April to $184 in May. That’s a whopping 46% increase month-over-month.
@admiral77 , @2007jasdip , I suggest you look at the substance of what has been said in this thread. People aren’t blindly defending a position. We are simply offering insight about the data presented. Even before the updated numbers, the data was obviously indicating that demand for the cards was not softening. Softening demand does not lead to that kind of rapid growth in card prices. And no one in the thread is arguing that prices will only ever go up forever and never have dips.
@rainbow, Again, I really do enjoy your posts. And I hope we can continue having reasonable discussions about the data you present even if people don’t necessarily come to the same conclusions as you about it.
At a glance it looks like supply is draining out of the market and the higher price points are being supported due to the current demand
the data you are posting and the format of it are both great and I thank you for it - pls don’t take anything I’ve written the wrong way at all. the only thing I would say is try not to be too sensitive about a little light hearted disagreement or debate. from the posts here it seems that your contributions and perspective are unanimously appreciated
There is a very patronising tone about what people perceive as my sensitivity. I will respond the way do, I am not changing who I am.
If I was indeed that sensitive, I wouldn’t still be here.
But here I am.
all good. tone is hard on posts/texts/emails. the world could certainly use some more rainbows right now!