# PSA Grading - Does 10 mean 10? **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Tags:** general-board\ **Created:** [September 28, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944 "2016-09-28T19:22:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/22 "2016-09-29T02:48:59Z")
> [@anon92205803](#): > > Before we go down this rabbit hole again, I’m just going to throw out that there is no such thing as a flawless card and a gem Mint 10 is one part PSA guidelines and one part opinion of the grader. 10 is called perfect, but it is still a range, albeit a very narrow one. Mistakes do happen, and you can have the card reevaluated if you disagree with the grade. > With that said, this is a great example of why you should \*always\* ask for multiple photos of the card regardless of its grade. You don’t want to get ripped off by buying a card under the assumption that the 10 matches your standards for a 10. As far as being worried about whether ebay will allow you to return it, I think they’ve demonstrated that you can return just about anything! Like many here, I never return PSA cards. I just list them if I don’t like them. Too many people take advantage of buyer slanted policy on eBay. Anybody who returns a PSA card to me is immediately banned from bidding on any of my IDs. It takes away too much time which I don’t have. Also, anybody who asks for more pictures of PSA cards (besides front and back) gets ignored. You see, one of the main reasons I PSA graded cards was so people got that second opinion and it would save time by not having to deal with returns or more picture requests etc. So if someone is going to do that stuff anyway then I dont want them as customers. ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/23 "2016-09-29T02:56:15Z")
> [@gottaketchumall](#): > > > [@KingPokemon](#): > > > > Silvering on one front edge shouldn’t affect the grade. > > > > I think the op said he graded the card which had an crease. PSA won’t give him money or credit for that. > > > > As far as describing condition after a grading company has encapsulated it…I never do unless asked. > > If PSA allowed a crease to pass two of their graders and they put it in a PSA 10 case they 100% give him money or credit for it. It happened to me (supposedly). > > That is where the whole argument I tried fighting came from last year in the thread that I linked when I said they damaged my cards. I was reimbursed for a few cards that were graded as PSA 9 with huge dings/creases to the top right of the card. All the same damage. All my wife and I could not have missed, nor two professional graders. They reimbursed me under the financial guarantee policy that I linked. They did not admit to damage. They admitted to “oversight”. Either way I was paid and OP should pursue that option. That card should be put in its proper case and OP should and will be reimbursed if he makes a phone call and send a few hi res scans in an email to them the same way I did. I only read it quickly but I thought he said he sent in a creased card. If you do then the cards only worth what it was when you sent it in. ---
**Author:** ![snap](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/snap/32/2622_2.png) [@snap](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/snap)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 4:14am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/24 "2016-09-29T04:14:39Z")
he sent in a card he didnt believe to be creased and it got given a ten with a huge crease in it. ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 6:05am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/25 "2016-09-29T06:05:44Z")
Ahhh…be didn’t believe it was creased. ---
**Author:** ![pokemonsyndicate](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokemonsyndicate/32/462_2.png) [@pokemonsyndicate](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokemonsyndicate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/26 "2016-09-29T06:45:12Z")
> [@KingPokemon](#): > > > [@anon92205803](#): > > > > Like many here, I never return PSA cards. I just list them if I don’t like them. Too many people take advantage of buyer slanted policy on eBay. Anybody who returns a PSA card to me is immediately banned from bidding on any of my IDs. It takes away too much time which I don’t have. > > Also, anybody who asks for more pictures of PSA cards (besides front and back) gets ignored. You see, one of the main reasons I PSA graded cards was so people got that second opinion and it would save time by not having to deal with returns or more picture requests etc. So if someone is going to do that stuff anyway then I dont want them as customers. Next time i buy off you im going to ask you for close up individual pictures of each corner and every of all your 1st ed shadowless… and den im going to punch you, and punch you again if you dont give them to meh (づ￣ ³￣)づ Note that you must take 8 photos per card for the corners, and then 1 from the front and 1 from the back, bringing it to a total of 10 photobz per card. I will probably need around 100 cards of yours to go through the process so I can choose which is best for pristine gold label candidate. If you refuse my demand, you will slowly drift into descent whilst i throw things at you. ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 7:36am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/27 "2016-09-29T07:36:44Z")
> [@pokemonsyndicate](#): > > > [@KingPokemon](#): > > > > Like many here, I never return PSA cards. I just list them if I don’t like them. Too many people take advantage of buyer slanted policy on eBay. Anybody who returns a PSA card to me is immediately banned from bidding on any of my IDs. It takes away too much time which I don’t have. > > > > Also, anybody who asks for more pictures of PSA cards (besides front and back) gets ignored. You see, one of the main reasons I PSA graded cards was so people got that second opinion and it would save time by not having to deal with returns or more picture requests etc. So if someone is going to do that stuff anyway then I dont want them as customers. > > Next time i buy off you im going to ask you for close up individual pictures of each corner and every of all your 1st ed shadowless… and den im going to punch you, and punch you again if you dont give them to meh (づ￣ ³￣)づ > > Note that you must take 8 photos per card for the corners, and then 1 from the front and 1 from the back, bringing it to a total of 10 photobz per card. I will probably need around 100 cards of yours to go through the process so I can choose which is best for pristine gold label candidate. > > If you refuse my demand, you will slowly drift into descent whilst i throw things at you. So 800 photos? Only for you 😜 It really has gotten silly. The anality (is that a word?) is crazy. ---
**Author:** ![acebren](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/acebren/32/400_2.png) [@acebren](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/acebren)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 7:40am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/28 "2016-09-29T07:40:04Z")
> [@KingPokemon](#): > > > [@pokemonsyndicate](#): > > > > Next time i buy off you im going to ask you for close up individual pictures of each corner and every of all your 1st ed shadowless… and den im going to punch you, and punch you again if you dont give them to meh (づ￣ ³￣)づ > > > > Note that you must take 8 photos per card for the corners, and then 1 from the front and 1 from the back, bringing it to a total of 10 photobz per card. I will probably need around 100 cards of yours to go through the process so I can choose which is best for pristine gold label candidate. > > > > If you refuse my demand, you will slowly drift into descent whilst i throw things at you. > > So 800 photos? Only for you 😜 > > It really has gotten silly. The anality (is that a word?) is crazy. I’ve also been asked ‘is it a strong 9?’ in regards to a PSA 9 card of mine recently, lol some people will pick at anything ---
**Author:** ![pokemonsyndicate](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokemonsyndicate/32/462_2.png) [@pokemonsyndicate](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokemonsyndicate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 7:42am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/29 "2016-09-29T07:42:36Z")
> [@KingPokemon](#): > > > [@pokemonsyndicate](#): > > > > So 800 photos? Only for you 😜 > > It really has gotten silly. The anality (is that a word?) is crazy. See guys… There is nothing ol garinson wont do for his pokechildren. There is someone from here that wants pictures of the corners of entire base set from me. I haVE yet to take these photos… They are Ungraded though take my word for it dam it… Yeah you know who you are if you see this… The hell your trying to put me through… Im telling you, they are all gonna get 10’s. But seriously @KingPokemon A scan is needed of that dam pristine charizard… Thing is, id be scared to stick it in the scanner even once. I know leds are low emittings, but still. ---
**Author:** ![gottaketchumall](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/gottaketchumall/32/161622_2.png) [@gottaketchumall](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/gottaketchumall)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 11:42am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/30 "2016-09-29T11:42:45Z")
> [@KingPokemon](#): > > > [@gottaketchumall](#): > > > > I only read it quickly but I thought he said he sent in a creased card. If you do then the cards only worth what it was when you sent it in. Which is why it is dumb that they paid me for the lost value under the financial guarantee. They claimed that I missed the creases in my pre screening, and also two professional graders missed it in their grading. Also whoever encased the card encased creased cards in PSA 9/10 cases. Finally whoever verified the whole order it passed through their hands too. A little funny if you ask me. So basically moral of the story from their end is that they are paying out financial guarantees on grades if you are able to slip a sh\*t condition card by them. It was easy for them since these were ex’s from the middle series at $30 or so per card I think I got out of them, but I wonder if they have been cards in the 4 figures what would have happened. ---
**Author:** ![gottaketchumall](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/gottaketchumall/32/161622_2.png) [@gottaketchumall](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/gottaketchumall)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 11:50am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/31 "2016-09-29T11:50:34Z")
@fireftw87 isn’t Ludkins one of those folks who does a video of each users submission? Both before and after with him rotating the card under a decent light? I think if I was a submitter that would be the only way to go, but I still would never do it… I couldn’t imagine submitting someone else’s card and it coming back with damage that they don’t remember it having. Anyways back to my point. If there is a pre sub video of this, can you share a link with it set to the time that this card is shown? I mean given a decent whirl under a light this would show up like crazy I would imagine. We could see whether or not it was there pre submission. ---
**Author:** ![mini](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/mini/32/381_2.png) [@mini](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/mini)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/32 "2016-09-29T11:54:37Z")
I’ve got a PSA 9 Frlg Charizard ex (the deck version) graded it myself. And you should see the edgewear on it. Its horrible. But I don’t remember sending it in like that. Still don’t know how all 4 edges could have been messed up in the case sealing process. ---
**Author:** ![Fireftw\_TCG](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/fireftw_tcg/32/545_2.png) [@Fireftw\_TCG](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/Fireftw_TCG)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/33 "2016-09-29T18:55:04Z")
> [@gottaketchumall](#): > > @fireftw87 isn’t Ludkins one of those folks who does a video of each users submission? Both before and after with him rotating the card under a decent light? I think if I was a submitter that would be the only way to go, but I still would never do it… I couldn’t imagine submitting someone else’s card and it coming back with damage that they don’t remember it having. > > Anyways back to my point. If there is a pre sub video of this, can you share a link with it set to the time that this card is shown? I mean given a decent whirl under a light this would show up like crazy I would imagine. We could see whether or not it was there pre submission. I went back through his submission videos and found it, the link should take you direct to the right time on the video (11:49): [www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8qYYL87t8A](https://youtu.be/n8qYYL87t8A?t=708) I also realised I uploaded my own sendoff video for this submission (my camera is like a potato though) [www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkKz-5wskSE](https://youtu.be/RkKz-5wskSE?t=124) Also screenshot attached. I cannot see a crease in any of these. [![](https://storage2.proboards.com/3030226/thumbnailer/yEVX8SCImGpo4_SYBzGN.jpg)](https://www.elitefourum.com/attachment/download/2076) Returns video, also cant see the crease in this video either but the angle may be wrong its hard to see at certain angles/in the wrong light: [www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq9XozJMCaE](https://youtu.be/tq9XozJMCaE?t=120) I have had a closer look, Its definitely not a scratch or mark on the outside of the case but I cant work out for sure if its a crease on the card or a mark/scratch/some sort of glue on the inside of the case. ---
**Author:** ![Fireftw\_TCG](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/fireftw_tcg/32/545_2.png) [@Fireftw\_TCG](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/Fireftw_TCG)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/34 "2016-09-29T19:53:51Z")
Ok I feel like a bit of a doughnut… After further much closer examination and a lot of sitting in a darkened room with a torch it appears this is not a crease as I first thought but some sort of damage to the inside of the case. In my defence its really hard to tell in normal lighting it looks really like a crease lol. Lesson learned! See picture below. New question! Will PSA recase this free of charge normally as the damage is only on the inside of the case so this must have occurred at PSA. [![](https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7532/29382807934_3f93f3b54e_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/LLsz7N) ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/35 "2016-09-29T21:22:46Z")
> [@Fireftw\_TCG](#): > > Ok I feel like a bit of a doughnut… > > After further much closer examination and a lot of sitting in a darkened room with a torch it appears this is not a crease as I first thought but some sort of damage to the inside of the case. In my defence its really hard to tell in normal lighting it looks really like a crease lol. Lesson learned! See picture below. > > New question! Will PSA recase this free of charge normally as the damage is only on the inside of the case so this must have occurred at PSA. > > [![](https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7532/29382807934_3f93f3b54e_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/LLsz7N) Yes on the recase question… ---
**Author:** ![EnlightenedBulbasaur](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/enlightenedbulbasaur/32/536_2.png) [@EnlightenedBulbasaur](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/EnlightenedBulbasaur)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 9:26pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/36 "2016-09-29T21:26:10Z")
@fireftw87 You should edit your OP to provide clarity for any people who might stumble upon this topic in the future but don’t get through reading all the pages. ---
**Author:** ![crios711](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/crios711/32/555_2.png) [@crios711](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/crios711)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/37 "2016-09-29T21:36:21Z")
> [@EnlightenedBulbasaur](#): > > @fireftw87 You should edit your OP to provide clarity for any people who might stumble upon this topic in the future but don’t get through reading all the pages. Seeing that it was the case and not the card gave me a lot more faith in psa, i know mistakes can happen but glad this wasn’t a huge one. ---
**Author:** ![Fireftw\_TCG](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/fireftw_tcg/32/545_2.png) [@Fireftw\_TCG](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/Fireftw_TCG)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944/38 "2016-09-29T22:00:46Z")
> [@EnlightenedBulbasaur](#): > > @fireftw87 You should edit your OP to provide clarity for any people who might stumble upon this topic in the future but don’t get through reading all the pages. Added a message in bold, hopefully this is enough? Sorry for any hassle caused, I did learn quite a lot from this post though so thanks for all the comments! [Previous page](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/psa-grading-does-10-mean-10/14944.md?page=1)