Okay, rhetorical questions don’t require answers. I literally said I was just thinking out loud, I wasn’t formulating any theory.
Just wondering why a playtest set would have included cards not in the base set lineup, especially because the trainers that I’ve seen have been from base set and not jungle or fossil.
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How did you make this? I need myself a Totodile 
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Testing the rules and balance of the game itself logically should come before deciding on the individual cards that are going to be in a released set. Similar to why ho-oh appears in the first episode of the anime - a lot of pokemon were designed at around the same time and it wasn’t until “last minute” that certain pokemon were put into different “generations”.
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Whose stories are those? (not Max’s)
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Yeah the more evidence I see the more it leads me to believe that Akabane (and his team) is the mastermind behind all this. CGC also bares a lot of responsibility since they literally said “Trust me bro” when the community questions these cards’ legitimacy and will likely face a class action lawsuit. This is the kind of historic Pokemon event you don’t want to see is this beloved hobby.
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Marco’s
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Thanks. He’s been right in the thick of things. Tough
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Def not, those have been around for more than two decades and are offset print with the correct rosette. They were just wotc test sheets
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I think the month discrepancy between March and July really doesn’t matter. The whole point of this thread is to look past what the source of these cards has said about them and CGC’s opinion is and to simplify consider what information the cards themselves can offer.
In addition to having a dot pattern that makes sense, those copies were sourced far earlier (2022 I believe), have high quality backs that don’t appear photocopied, have heavy play damage. From documentation that exists we also know that at the very least alpha playtest and the corocoro presentation did exist at some point so it’s entirely believable that there are real copies.
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Information on the pattern:
Not all dot matrix patterns carry time information and the papers published on this one suggests this type of pattern probably doesn’t. I have a guess at the brand and the code likely has information about the model but it’s not straightforward of how to get to the model information short of us crowdsourcing prints of every model this company has produced all the way back to pre 1996.
In theory, federal agents could figure it out by requesting the information from the company.
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I didnt, it was a friend
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Thank you for clarifying this. Without another vector of authentication I suppose we may have to be a bit more patient with this one. And a lot rests on it (as I understand this dot pattern is seen on a large amount of the alpha playtests as well as the backs of a large quantity of HQ Betas).
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it should be easier to read for decoding
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1401042679132 I think is HQ beta
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I dont know about that one in particular since i didn’t see it. I have a 426 cert that is LQ.
Do you have a pic of that card?
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Well done, what an informative thread…still no comment from CGC about this and certain key players(whether they knew or not their silence is odd)
I hope CGC will take accountability for this and refund players and hopefully move towards legal action to recover some of the funds they lose from those refunds.
The evidence you presented in this thread can’t be denied.
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It looks like they’re still actively responding to comments and DMs, but they’re using the same generic response and copy and pasting it.
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