# Lower grade 1st ed or higher grade shadowless **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [October 11, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492 "2019-10-11T01:33:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sherbert13](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/sherbert13/32/26548_2.png) [@sherbert13](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/sherbert13)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/1 "2019-10-11T01:33:44Z")
Hello everyone. I’m new to the forum and recently got back into collecting. Just finished base set through to gym challenge and just this week finished my ungraded shadowless set. For my next goal I’m considering going after some lower psa graded 1st edition base set holo’s (graded 6 to 7) or going for higher graded shadowless, I’m thinking mainly 9s with a few 8s. The lure of the 1st edition is there for sure but unfortunately my budget wont allow for higher grades. On the other hand I think shadowless can be under rated and seems fairly affordable atm. Just curios to see what you guys think would be best to go for and what the average price difference would be and therefore more affordable. There aren’t many lower graded 1st editions on Ebay atm so hard for me to gage. Also although I certainly wouldn’t be looking to sell anytime in the near future, it would be nice know what people with far more experience than me think would appreciate more in value. Any input would be much appreciated 😊 ---
**Author:** ![nick9195](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/nick9195/32/1332_2.png) [@nick9195](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/nick9195)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/2 "2019-10-11T01:44:10Z")
You’re probably better off buying 1st edition lower grades rather than higher grades in shadowless, but you should buy what you like. You could even consider going for non holo 1st edition cards they have room to grow as an investment too. ---
**Author:** ![sherbert13](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/sherbert13/32/26548_2.png) [@sherbert13](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/sherbert13)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/3 "2019-10-11T01:48:32Z")
> [@nick9195](#): > > You’re probably better off buying 1st edition lower grades rather than higher grades in shadowless, but you should buy what you like. You could even consider going for non holo 1st edition cards they have room to grow as an investment too. Funny you should say that I just picked up 10 or so psa 10 1st edition commons, around £40 each which I thought was cheap, I’m sure you’ll correct me I’m wrong ---
**Author:** ![nick9195](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/nick9195/32/1332_2.png) [@nick9195](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/nick9195)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/4 "2019-10-11T02:14:13Z")
> [@sherbert13](#): > > > [@nick9195](#): > > > > You’re probably better off buying 1st edition lower grades rather than higher grades in shadowless, but you should buy what you like. You could even consider going for non holo 1st edition cards they have room to grow as an investment too. > > Funny you should say that I just picked up 10 or so psa 10 1st edition commons, around £40 each which I thought was cheap, I’m sure you’ll correct me I’m wrong It depends on the card usually the fan favorites pull the most. If you want to look at PSA prices you can play around with this site. [www.pokemonprice.com](https://www.pokemonprice.com) ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 4:42am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/5 "2019-10-11T04:42:45Z")
Great question and I have a terrific answer;) Complete a PSA 7 1st Ed Base Set. 6s and less may have a big dent or crease. 7s won’t. You may get it completed for somewhere around 3000.00 and I see it as a good value buy too. ---
**Author:** ![sherbert13](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/sherbert13/32/26548_2.png) [@sherbert13](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/sherbert13)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 6:20am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/6 "2019-10-11T06:20:45Z")
> [@KingPokemon](#): > > Great question and I have a terrific answer;) > > Complete a PSA 7 1st Ed Base Set. 6s and less may have a big dent or crease. 7s won’t. You may get it completed for somewhere around 3000.00 and I see it as a good value buy too. Thanks, 3000 does seem very reasonable, I thought the charizard alone be a big portion of that. Is that what you would advise trying to get 1st as it’s the most expensive? ---
**Author:** ![surfnsnow](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/surfnsnow/32/19146_2.png) [@surfnsnow](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/surfnsnow)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 6:32am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/7 "2019-10-11T06:32:22Z")
> [@KingPokemon](#): > > Great question and I have a terrific answer;) > > Complete a PSA 7 1st Ed Base Set. 6s and less may have a big dent or crease. 7s won’t. You may get it completed for somewhere around 3000.00 and I see it as a good value buy too. Just to clarify, you mean a set of the 16 holos, right? ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 7:20am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/8 "2019-10-11T07:20:16Z")
> [@surfnsnow](#): > > > [@KingPokemon](#): > > > > Great question and I have a terrific answer;) > > > > Complete a PSA 7 1st Ed Base Set. 6s and less may have a big dent or crease. 7s won’t. You may get it completed for somewhere around 3000.00 and I see it as a good value buy too. > > Just to clarify, you mean a set of the 16 holos, right? Right ---
**Author:** ![nick9195](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/nick9195/32/1332_2.png) [@nick9195](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/nick9195)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 10:38am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/9 "2019-10-11T10:38:30Z")
> [@KingPokemon](#): > > Great question and I have a terrific answer;) > > Complete a PSA 7 1st Ed Base Set. 6s and less may have a big dent or crease. 7s won’t. You may get it completed for somewhere around 3000.00 and I see it as a good value buy too. What would you consider the value on a 7 charizard alone? I’m looking for one and the cheapest on the market right now is $2000 I’m going to wait and see if anything pops up ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/10 "2019-10-11T21:09:05Z")
> [@nick9195](#): > > > [@KingPokemon](#): > > > > Great question and I have a terrific answer;) > > > > Complete a PSA 7 1st Ed Base Set. 6s and less may have a big dent or crease. 7s won’t. You may get it completed for somewhere around 3000.00 and I see it as a good value buy too. > > What would you consider the value on a 7 charizard alone? I’m looking for one and the cheapest on the market right now is $2000 I’m going to wait and see if anything pops up Just wait for the next PWCC listing and you may get it for 1500.00 lol. ---
**Author:** ![nick9195](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/nick9195/32/1332_2.png) [@nick9195](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/nick9195)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/11 "2019-10-11T22:44:46Z")
> [@KingPokemon](#): > > > [@nick9195](#): > > > > What would you consider the value on a 7 charizard alone? I’m looking for one and the cheapest on the market right now is $2000 I’m going to wait and see if anything pops up > > Just wait for the next PWCC listing and you may get it for 1500.00 lol. That’s what I’m hoping for! There’s a PSA 8 and 4 9s on the next PWCC auction next month so far ---
**Author:** ![sherbert13](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/sherbert13/32/26548_2.png) [@sherbert13](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/sherbert13)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/12 "2019-10-12T17:05:15Z")
> [@KingPokemon](#): > > Great question and I have a terrific answer;) > > Complete a PSA 7 1st Ed Base Set. 6s and less may have a big dent or crease. 7s won’t. You may get it completed for somewhere around 3000.00 and I see it as a good value buy too. Looking to get started on buying some psa 7’s What are your thoughts on this? I am by no means a expert but seems quite week (massively off centre and plenty of edgeware) is this to be expected when buying 7’s? [rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F133193112772](https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F133193112772) ---
**Author:** ![engadgeter](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/engadgeter/32/1291_2.png) [@engadgeter](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/engadgeter)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/13 "2019-10-12T19:35:09Z")
> [@sherbert13](#): > > > [@KingPokemon](#): > > > > Great question and I have a terrific answer;) > > > > Complete a PSA 7 1st Ed Base Set. 6s and less may have a big dent or crease. 7s won’t. You may get it completed for somewhere around 3000.00 and I see it as a good value buy too. > > Looking to get started on buying some psa 7’s > > What are your thoughts on this? I am by no means a expert but seems quite week (massively off centre and plenty of edgeware) is this to be expected when buying 7’s? > > [rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F133193112772](https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F133193112772) This one is indeed rather best up but I can assure that a ‘typical’ 7 most of the times look better than this one. I would let this one slide. ---
**Author:** ![sherbert13](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/sherbert13/32/26548_2.png) [@sherbert13](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/sherbert13)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/14 "2019-10-12T21:22:11Z")
Thanks. I’ll give it a miss then. ---
**Author:** ![joer](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/joer/32/131558_2.png) [@joer](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/joer)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/15 "2019-10-13T02:56:51Z")
3000 would be a steal I think @garyis2000, I would expect every psa 7 holo is at least $100 on a bad day and charizard is very steady in commanding 2k at the moment, plus the blastoise and venusaur commanding a higher price than all the other holos. I don’t see 3k unless purchased raw or maybe in a full set auction. On another note PSA 7 can have a pretty wide range by PSA standards sometimes. I usually prefer PSA 8 or higher, but at least a 7 should not have big dents or creases. Personally, I define the typical PSA 7 as have minor edgewear with minor scratching or factory lines. All my 7’s look like this, but I have sen a few be worse than expected for a 7. ---
**Author:** ![joer](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/joer/32/131558_2.png) [@joer](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/joer)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/16 "2019-10-13T03:02:55Z")
> [@sherbert13](#): > > > [@KingPokemon](#): > > > > Great question and I have a terrific answer;) > > > > Complete a PSA 7 1st Ed Base Set. 6s and less may have a big dent or crease. 7s won’t. You may get it completed for somewhere around 3000.00 and I see it as a good value buy too. > > Looking to get started on buying some psa 7’s > > What are your thoughts on this? I am by no means a expert but seems quite week (massively off centre and plenty of edgeware) is this to be expected when buying 7’s? > > [rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F133193112772](https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F133193112772) That 7 is a little more on the lower end, but no dents or creases. Hard to tell if the face has scratches, but that can be a positive for the card. I have seen worse personally, but the off center for the card is not great. Being off center I feel keeps a card from getting a high grade, but doesn’t factor so much when placing a lower grade like a 6 or 7. That’s just my opinion though. ---
**Author:** ![sherbert13](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/sherbert13/32/26548_2.png) [@sherbert13](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/sherbert13)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 8:19am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/17 "2019-10-13T08:19:00Z")
Thanks for the input. I’ll try to aim for 8’s where I can. Picked up an 8 magneton yesterday. As for 7’s I can’t find any under $150. ---
**Author:** ![joer](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/joer/32/131558_2.png) [@joer](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/joer)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/18 "2019-10-13T22:06:08Z")
@sherbert13, You could always keep your nose to the ground for raw cards. A bit risky given fakes are a possibility, but usually the price is better if you factor in 10 bucks to grade. ---
**Author:** ![sherbert13](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/sherbert13/32/26548_2.png) [@sherbert13](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/sherbert13)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/19 "2019-10-13T22:45:16Z")
> [@joer](#): > > @sherbert13, You could always keep your nose to the ground for raw cards. A bit risky given fakes are a possibility, but usually the price is better if you factor in 10 bucks to grade. Yeah thanks that’s a good point. Although I very rarely come across any ungraded ones that aren’t either beat up or ridiculously priced. Also costs me more to grade from UK (more like $15-20 depending on quantity of cards) and waiting 3/4 months can be a pain but patience is a virtue I guess. ---
**Author:** ![sherbert13](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/sherbert13/32/26548_2.png) [@sherbert13](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/sherbert13)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492/20 "2020-10-12T21:06:12Z")
Firstly Sorry for bumping an old thread. Just thought I’d post an update. Quite fitting as it’s been almost exactly 1 year since registering on the forum and creating my 1st thread. I am pleased to say I have finally completed my collection goal of acquiring all psa 1st ed base holo’s. In the end I decided to purchase the highest grade I could afford at the time which resulted in three psa 8s, two 8.5s and the rest in psa 9. Thanks for everyone that posted and gave me advice 😊 Funny looking back this time last year $1500-$2000 was the going rate for psa 7 1st ed zard, how times change! [Next page](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/lower-grade-1st-ed-or-higher-grade-shadowless/24492.md?page=2)