I check my english ones and they all match the pattern. I however also checked some Dutch 1st eds base set just for fun and those are (non holo’s) also -15, same goes for Dutch unlimited fossil.
Not sure if it even matters or is useful in any way!
Maybe check english jungle/fossil, if those are all -15, maybe these are printed late instead of first?
And yes all non holo shadowless should be +15 from my findings.
First print for non-holo is prob gonna be the 1st ed stamp for now. Havent completely gotten there yet lol. These patterns change and vary over the yearsive got a good understanding but this thread cant fit it all lmao. U interested in the discord?
That’s indeed been what most people think, that they forgot to edit it out when going from 1st edition to Shadowless. Especially considering it was just the Pikachu that was effected, despite that all cards of the same theme deck should have been on the same sheet (except for the holo Mewtwo of course) - or the cards of the ZAP! and Overgrowth theme decks at once to be more precise.
I would assume trainer decks were released after shadowless based off the +/+ patterns. It you couldnt see magenta, look for cyan. If cyan is -, magenta is +
Then the Trainer Deck B Water Energy front is +15 as well, as expected. And apparently it did have some Magenta dots, but they were very tiny and almost not noticeable, even with my 40x loop.
Most of the scans on Fanatics Collect are high enough resolution to see the dot alignment. I looked at over 20 scans of thin and thick stamp holos. They all correspond with your findings.
Definitely makes me wonder why these test prints were printed if they had already issued the first run of of foils. Havent done my hw on them yet but id like to put my eyes on them at some point and actually see them
The first few sets were Galaxy foils before they switched to Cosmos foils. Maybe these Disco foils were test prints as alternatives for the second Cosmos foils.
Also, now that we’re talking about test prints anyway: the Protostoise cards with smooth foil appear to have +15 fronts and the later Galaxy foil copy -15 (I think).
The backs aren’t too important, since they’re MTG backs, which are (a.f.a.i.k.) always -15, since the magenta dots in some of the orbs on the back are used to determine if cards are real (e.g., the L-shape in the green dot).
Here some close-up pictures, to judge for yourself. The pictures in this first quote are taken from Travis’ video of a smooth foil copy:
And this quote is from the Galaxy foil copy, from CGC’s article:
And here also the back for two of the (smooth holo) copies from CGC’s article.
In theory then thick stamps may be a different print run than thin and shadowless as both seem to be +15? Or it was all the same print run and then used a different printed back when they released thick stamps to the public, and another for thin and regular shadowless. Curious to see if there are -15 shadowless cards out there.
For the love of science I checked my +100 shadowless Gyarados and they are all +15, and I’m aware Gyarados was released both in Base Set and theme deck. But that depends on how they printed the shadowless run. Would be interesting to see the 1998 demo boosters.