Discussion of factory workers in China

WD seems to be the most reliable… They never die, and i mean never. Had all mine running 24/7 havnt turned them off for nirly 5 years -.- WHY WONT YOU DIE WD it makes it hard for me to reccomendidge any other brand… WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

Also don’t use apple products.

watched Steve JObs new movie last night and they made women look like stupid farm animals like most holy wood movies… From the afterlife steve jobs manages to insult people on a mass scale. The evil is real.

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While I agree that Western Digital drives are quite good, please don’t spread misinformation. All drives eventually die, including WD drives. I use WD drives in my RAID, and they generally last about three years before failing.

Also, it’s fine if you don’t like Apple products and choose not to use them. But in the right hands, Apple products are very powerful tools.

Twenty years ago, I built the foundation of a successful publishing company on an Apple PowerBook 2400c. Could I have done the same using a Windows machine or a Linux box? Probably. But doing so on an Apple product was, frankly, a fun and mostly trouble-free experience.

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I know they die, but I was talking about external hard drives, mine still running after like 4-5 years. I wasn’t talking about a raid set up, or a raid set up on internal WD drivrs, of course all hardrives gonna die, they never die is just an expression/ over exaggeration. Also raid does troubletons to your drives depending on what raid arrayidge your using… However I like to do raid for performance on some of the newer faster drives. As for apple … I love Steve woz, but I will always hate Steve jobs. XD

Everyone has there own preferred way of doing things, and that is fine, I mean no disrespect to users who use the apple stuff, but I like to spread the word to try to get them to stop supporting evil pricks like apple. Apple has put so much pressure on the factory workers of China, not just apple alone but a lot of corporations have, though apple is pretty notorious for there past endevours and shittyness, and it has give Them a bad name, and a lot of hate and racism/ stupid things are said of these people… There just people. Companies like Apple has literally pushed pressure down and taken advantage of misfortunes of others to the point were these people have literally committed suicide because there forced to put a sticker on a each iPhones 16 hours a day. They have exploited these people and pay them very little amount and I’ll give you an example… Maybe after 10 years of putting those stickers on 16 hours a day like slaves, they might be able to afford a single IPhone.

Thanks for clarifying on the durability of hard drives. I do agree with you, WD drives are among the best.

I still think you’re overstating the “evilness” of Apple. A lot of the stories of worker exploitation came from monologist Mike Daisey, who has since admitted that he fabricated many of his most inflammatory claims of abuse in Apple’s Chinese factories. Unfortunately, his exaggerations have become accepted as facts, and those “facts” are then exaggerated even further by others (such as when you claim that “maybe after 10 years of putting those stickers on 16 hours a day like slaves, they might be able to afford a single IPhone”). For starters, there aren’t any “stickers” on iPhones. And second, those factory jobs pay far more than what your comment suggests.

I’m not suggesting that you stop looking at Apple (and other mega-corporations) though a critical eye. That’s admirable. But your argument is weakened when you begin to cite things that simply aren’t true.

Factory workers are still complaining about the conditions and pay till this day… People don’t commit suicide for no reason. I didnt just say apple either. There is some evilshit heads out there, like this one said shithead who wouldnt fix the factory and it colapsed and killed the shit out everyone in there. Apple may not be the most evil, but they put alot of pressure on people for working hours, which drove people to suicide… This my friend is simply true… stickers were on the ipods sorry. To say that it was fabricated because 1 guy came out and said it was fabricated ( WITH NO PROOF ) is his word against the peoples, and I believe the peoples with countless stories of hardships coming from workers. Tell me if you still think not true after reading this… Think the girl was fabricating it?:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092277/Apple-Poor-working-conditions-inside-Chinese-factories-making-iPads.html

www.wired.com/2015/04/inside-chinese-factories/

www.zdnet.com/article/is-apples-suicide-factory-outsourcing-to-even-cheaper-chinese-peasants/

gizmodo.com/5542527/undercover-report-from-foxconns-hell-factory

There has been protests of the evil going on from these people them selves to say that it isnt true and there not exploited is basically lauphing in the faces of all those people who commited suicide, and the people who demand justice. If you wanna believe 1 guy thats fine, but i don’t, I never will unless you can prove apple didnt make 32 per device, and split like 2 dollars per device for the 1,000,000 workers. You see electronics dont just get made in apple factories, there’s a process to these devices. To say that the factories mentioned that work with companies like apple arnt in all my devices I use is kind of HYPOCRISY I know and sounds stupid… But this isn’t right, and its not fabrication. FOX CON IS IN EVERYTHING, ITS EVERYWHERE AND IT LIVES INSIDE YOU… IT KNOWS IF YOU HAD TO MUCH CHICKEN WHILST I ANALYZES YOUR COLON, AND SENDS YOU MESSAGES TO EAT MORE KALE!

Heres a article exposing apples best buddy:

www.cnet.com/news/watchdog-group-foxconn-hid-young-workers-before-inspection/

If your worried about Apple China vote for Our honorable president. He’ll force Apple to come back and bring those THOUSANDS of jobs with them.
Lol…

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH lol. he will build a big wall.

@japanime I Actually have the article of this 17 or 18 year old im trying to find, who was interviewed by no bias website of the girl who spends 12 hours i think it was a day slapping stickers on apple products… whether thats on the ipods or the outside im not sure… cant rememeber. Ill find it though, and ill find it later because i need sleep lol.

One of my favorite TED Talks is on this topic. It doesn’t speak for everything or excuse any of the ethical questions people need to ask, but it adds an important human element that often gets stripped away.

www.ted.com/talks/leslie_t_chang_the_voices_of_china_s_workers?language=en

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Something that is also ignored in the conversation — the fact that the way factories are run (and the expectation of the workers) in Asia is considerably different than that in the West.

I’ve worked closely with several factories here in Japan, where the worker conditions (pay, hours, etc.) are very similar to those in China. It’s not all doom and gloom, as those in the West would have you believe.

I’d also argue that, in general, factory workers in Asia have a stronger work ethic than their Western counterparts.

I know that my experiences working in a factory showed me there are extremely strong workers and horribly lazy workers with not many people in between. Haha

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That was my experience, too. (I worked in a warehouse through high school and college.) The lazy workers, unfortunately, outnumbered the hard workers by about 6-to-1.

I’ll be happy to read the article. However, as somebody who has worked in journalism for 30 years, including a dozen years on newspapers, I can say this with certainty: There is no such thing as an unbiased interviewer or interviewee. Everyone has an agenda.

By the way, I’m curious: Do you feel the same about clothing manufacturers and their use of low-cost labor as you do about Apple’s? Because, by most accounts, the “fashion” industry is far more abusive of labor than are Apple’s contractors.

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Did some warehouse work. I was mentally ruined after 2 weeks. So simple and boring, each day started to feel 72 hours long. Admired those who had been doing for 20 years, insane…

It’s definitely mind-numbing work. But it’s a great way to learn discipline, respect, and organizational and time-management skills. What I learned working in a warehouse 30 years ago still serves me well today. I wouldn’t want to live through it again, but I also have zero regrets about doing it.

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Unfortunately, a lot of that insight and wisdom comes with age;)

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All industries and their major corporations exploit workers and are ruining the environment. I think what raises the ire of a lot of people against Apple is their self-promotion as a green company and the sort of futuristic-humanist vibe they have going on, when ultimately they are like every other company ever that turns a profit by ultimately pandering to people’s belief and by sourcing materials in the cheapest (read: unethical by western standards) way possible.

A lot of people “believe” in Apple beyond the literal tech specs of their products. Steve Jobs’ success relates to creating this belief system as much as it is about the actual products. If there weren’t so much of an aura around the company, there would be less to criticize and they would be more like every other company and people wouldn’t care as much (imo). Also, while it may be true that Asian work standards are different, I would argue that most Western (I can speak to American) consumers believe Apple is treating their workers to standards akin to the US in terms of basic worker’s rights at the very least.

I watched a BBC documentary that touched on some of what @pokemonsyndicate stated. And I do agree with @japanime that a source is never unbiased, so watch it with that caveat.

m.ign.com/videos/2015/7/22/apples-broken-promises-pcmag-gr

(Edit: as I type this from my iPhone *surprised/scared face emoji*)

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Honestly, I see no issue here. We, including the Chinese, can decide where we’d like to work. Plus, we can purchase whatever product we wish. Even the girl in the Ted video said her ‘friend’ worked in 5 different jobs in two years if I recall correctly.

Honestly, I see no issue here. We, including the Chinese, can decide where we’d like to work. Plus, we can purchase whatever product we wish. Even the girl in the Ted video said her ‘friend’ worked in 5 different jobs in two years if I recall correctly.
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I agree. But I think the concern is more with the marketing/philosophy (stuff like this: www.apple.com/environment/ ) not matching with the practice and the general hypocrisy that sort of lends to. It’s at the very least irritating if not outright dangerous. Other companies don’t seem to be as vocal about that sort of stuff.

I might disagree on saying you can work wherever you want. That sentiment applies well to developed markets like those in the US where there are many jobs to choose from and mobility is there for the hard workers. I’ll go out on a limb and say that the places Apple is operating in in China are not quite as developed and these types of jobs might be all that is available or the best option. And while that might be a natural limitation of a market (or whatever - I’m not an economist), that line doesn’t apply to a company that touts its ethical treatment of workers and wants to do things like “leave the world a better place”, etc. And one that could easily make working conditions less dehumanizing in these countries. If for no other reason than to practice what they preach and what people think they are buying into when they buy into the Apple brand.