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I feel like youâre not a new member. You must have seen all those people sounding like A-holes telling other posters, that youâre supposed to have values on your items for trade, and also add values on what youâre looking for.
I.E.
âMy 1st Ed base blister is x valueâ
âBase booster box is x valueâ.
âI can add x amount of cashâ
See, now I had to be that A-hole. But itâs the rules.
There is no requirement for values in a trade thread. The only thing that is required is a wants list, which this post has. Values can help, but are not essential.
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I love our current rules but this one might need clarification. I got a pm from a new member a while back regarding exactly this. He wanted a PSA 10 Base unlimited Charizard. I told him I donât normally sell mine but he could list it in a new thread as long as he put an offer price. He asked would he still have to if he made it a partial trade, adding he could put a 50.00 card with it then not include a dollar amount. I told him that wouldnât fly.
Now youâre implying he could do that and I look like a dope lol.
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Youâre correct Gary! For an expensive card like that where the buyer is âtradingâ some low value card plus a significant amount of cash, itâs clear thats an attempt to get around the rule to post prices. To me itâs not even a trade if the trade value isnât at least 50% of the transaction, but thatâs not a forum rule.
but i would imagine a base box being around 2.6-2.9k, and the blister being somewhere in the neighborhood of 1-1.5k that the cash portion is significant. i donât think the 50% rule makes sense. sorry, this needs to be amended asap. as long as cash is involved and requires math, i would say the amount needs to be explicitly stated. when itâs a pure trade, sure, we can let this slide.
how dare you make gary look stupid? i think if this rule is causing confusion, then there is probably some issue with it.
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i was told that anyone who talks back to gary gets immediately ip banned
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Which is why itâs not a forum rule. Itâs moderator discretion as to whether we think someone is posting a trade thread with the intention of avoiding the rule to post a price on buy threads. I think this thread is fine.
Last 3 of 4 blisters sold for over 2k on eBay in the last thwo months:
Iâm looking to add around $600
sorry, i was just trying to make a point that thereâs still significant cash involved. the point of the rule is to make it clear what people value something as when making a buy/trade thread. when itâs a one-to-one card trade, that is a direct barter which itâs clear a=b. the value is in the language and it is clear for any viewer. when it is a card + cash for another item, we need to have the price to clearly translate what the buyerâs valuation is to see if the sellerâs valuation is aligned. by the OP not putting in a price and amount of cash, you see the confusion there it caused me? thatâs my case-in-point for WHY we have this rule in the first place â avoid this back and forth. Any serious seller would need to ask this question because the thread is INCOMPLETE. itâs like when you list on ebay without setting a price.
sorry Tim.Wins. i am not bashing you or anything, but just trying to clear up this confusion about the rules.
Where is this âruleâ that states I have to itemize every item in my trade?
Most of the confusion happens when members that donât even have the items mentioned feel the need to chime in and negativity critique any and all trades where OPs valuation doesnât significantly benefit the buyer (and/or their collecting goals).
Iâm not looking to entice members that had no interest of trading in the first place, by offering way over market value. I do mutual trades.
When creating buy/trade threads we should aim for the highest efficiency. This forum is a luxury. Where else can you find a pool of collectors who combined own probably every card printed? Adding prices to trade threads would add efficiency and I believe that would add value to this section of the forum. I thinks itâs a rule we should consider. I would bet that more people would be happy and weâd have less negative comments, if buy/trade threads were layed out as clearly as possible.
This is a general statement and not aimed at this post in particular.
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Agree with Andrew. OP, might be good to specify the condition of your blister and the condition of box youâre looking for
I think the trade for blister + $600-900 is solid
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Oh boy where to beginâŚ
Some members around here act as if theyâre the worldâs highest paid attorneys and gracing us with their presence is the equivalent of doing 200 hours of pro bono work.
The truth of the matter is this is a hobby, and youâre choosing to spend your leisure time here. So letâs drop all these fallacies about this rule and how it revolves around âefficiency.â
Ironically, the same members that gatekeep in here and post about efficiency are the ones wasting their time as fake mods in this section. But they canât be bothered to send a message and facilitate a trade like a normal barter worksâŚ
If you really want EFFICIENCY then buy/trade threads should be automatically locked/restricted to only allowing OP to edit/respond to their post. Any interested parties would PM only. Maybe anyone posting in buy/trade threads should be verified first that they even have the item in question before offering their two cents? Both of these options would cut down on flame threads tremendously.
This wonât happen though because most members that âvotedâ this rule (which has nothing to do with my trade thread btw) is for the sole purpose of putting OPs on blast that donât offer top dollar, in an effort to artificially keep the prices high across the board, to ultimately line their pocketsâŚ
Youâre being slightly dramatic⌠Specifying details such as price, condition, etc would help both parties. Honestly, I agree with your suggestion to lock buy/trade threads and think itâs worth considering.
Tim, I donât think you understand. We are not commenting about your valuation for your item. We care that you lay out your trade+cash with approximate valuation, with a number, so it facilitates the communication and understanding more efficiently should an interested party presents itself. Thatâs the WHOLE point. Itâs not about wanting to increase value of anything because people have a stake in it.
I more than understand, I just donât agree with you.
If you really want âefficiencyâ then lock all buy/trade threads so that only the OP can participate.
Otherwise, continue on with most every buy thread turning into a price and market discussion post, with price fixing attempts, all disguised behind this thin veil of âefficiencyâ.
The reason why threads like this derail is because they are vague. People have to follow up just to get you to state what you are actually offering.
We arenât going to do the locked thread system. This section is already the most work for the mods.
Also not sure who the pro bono rant is aimed at but managing this site is entirely pro bono. The mods try to do their best, but obviously no one is perfect. Just put the cash you are willing to pay. Since this one hit a grey area, Iâll change the rules so itâs crystal clear anytime cash is being offered the amount needs to be stated.
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