Cryptocurrency Discussion Thread

The risk with these ‘wrench attacks’ is the same as if you were to advertise that you had a safe at home with cash or valuables. Your average Cryptobro is just excitable and tends to overshare about their investments, so they essentially inflict the added risk upon themselves.

Unfortunately there’s risk no matter which avenue you take with crypto. Self custody keys → physical risks; crypto held on exchanges → hacking / exchange collapses. Likewise, with fiat currency. Physical cash → similar physical risks; banked cash → hacking / government interference/seizure.

The main additional risk with fiat, which is ultimately why people who are serious investors or believers in Bitcoin are willing to take on such custodial risks, is that unlike crypto, it is completely centralized and will therefore always be vulnerable to at best mild inflation, or at worst serious debasement and complete loss of spending power. These concerns are growing year-on-year due to the global economic climate, particularly in regard to the US sovereign debt situation and eroding trust in the dollar, and this can even be seen as far as the (admittedly somewhat forced) effort that certain plutocrats are making to turn even Pokémon cards into a form of value storage and exchange. Essentially, it is complete lack of trust in government, banks, and traditional financial institutions.

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except real cash in a bank account is insured by FDIC up to $250k and if u really have the need for more than that then just open some more bank accounts :rofl:

whereas bitcoins isnt insured for shit :rofl:

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Conveniently ignoring my entire last paragraph :rofl: :rofl:

It all seems rather incoherent like prepping ideology. If the world imploded, there is no amount of food or ammunition that would help a prepper survive the hordes of desperate people.

The people most bullish on crypto because of dollar debasement etc seem to be the same people who support policies of dollar debasement. I guess you could say that makes sense since they are already invested in the outcome, but at the same time, no amount of crypto is going to be useful or enough in a world where the dollar implodes. These techno-fascists are like libertarians who have no appreciation or acknowledgment of the privilege they are currently afforded and what keeps it afloat.

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Default pfp spitting

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Except there exists nuance and numerous scenarios between the extremes of ‘a strong dollar’ and ‘complete global economic collapse beginning with the complete debasement of the dollar’.

The extreme circumstances you’re saying bitcoin/crypto investors are secretly hoping for and calling them techno-fascists isn’t an argument against the properties and use case of bitcoin, it’s just an attack on what you think are the personal politics or hypocrisies of the people who buy it.

In the Mad Max type scenario nothing classic finance would continue to function either, whether that’s fiat, stocks, bonds, your pension fund etc. The internet would probably cease to function or be heavily restricted too, so how can people invested in crypto be hoping for that?

It’s the enormous middle ground between strong fiat and total collapse that will afford Bitcoin its growth. While the dollar continues to function it can still experience continued debasement, government turning on the printers, inflation higher than interest rates, persistent deficits, growing sovereign debt, implementation of state control/restrictions over fiat accounts and transfers.

Just like gold continues to increase in value as a monetary hedge while society continues to function normally and economies are ‘relatively stable’, bitcoin continues to exist as an alternative to fiat, serving as a hedge against everything I mentioned in my 4th paragraph by being immune to inflation, decentralized with a fixed issuance schedule, globally transferable with no middlemen and the ability for complete self-custody. While those persistent flaws with fiat continue to erode its value and people’s trust in it, Bitcoin will continue to increase in value.

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As with pokemon, anonymity and now showcasing a $ value is smart.

There is a guy on Instagram who’s constantly showing his ~$3M collectr portfolio and uses his full legal name as his IG handle. It seems he keeps his stuff at his residence too.

I told him he is risking trouble by doing it - but the flex points matter more than his life I suppose.

Another real example of his is a UK pokemon “influencer” who had his home address listed on the government companies registry. He streamed from home and had 6 figured of Pokemon displayed in his stream background. He was robbed and it was all stolen.

PO Box for buying/selling :check_mark:

Don’t screenshot gains :check_mark:

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To add to this, the government has a massive debt burden that continues to erode confidence in long dated bonds. The long end is blowing out not just in the US, but across the world, 10 and 30 yr bonds are reaching decades long highs.

This is essentially the market telling governments they don’t trust the fiscal situation over the next few decades and they demand a higher yield in order to be willing to hold its debt. They need bond rates that will beat or at least match inflation expectations. The lack of trust is based in the expectation that inflation will have to continue to run hot into the future as governments must expand the money supply and devalue the currency at a faster and faster rate in order to service the ballooning debt that continues grow.

If inflation runs too hot, the federal reserve has to step in to raise interest rates in order to curb inflation, however the more they raise rates, the worse their debt burden becomes, which requires them to expand the money supply to buy back their own debt, which adds liquidity into the system, which makes inflation worse. It is a fiscal pickle and there are only two viable ways out: default or inflate it away. Governments always choose the money printer and especially now because a default at this scale would be catastrophic, so they’ll not only sell more debt but also continue to buy back their own debt which expands the money supply, which causes the prices of hard assets to go up, like gold, collectibles and Bitcoin as that new money looks for a home to beat inflation. The clearest signal of this dynamic was when the treasury said they would double their long end buybacks and bitcoin rallied 50% in a month.

Any collapse in the USD is probably decades away, but on the way there the government has to continually pump liquidity into the system to service its expanding debt.

But that’s not all, AI will accelerate this process. AI is going to push the cost of goods down to the marginal cost of production. This is good for people in one sense because prices of things, especially manufactured goods and some services, will get exceedingly cheaper over the next 1-2 decades, but deflation is bad for governments’ debt burden. Debts are fixed in nominal terms. If prices and wages fall (deflation), tax revenues collapse, making the existing nominal debt burden even harder to service, governments need inflation. They will have to add even more liquidity/issue more debt/buyback their own debt to fight deflation.

Additionally, AI will disrupt almost every industry and valuation. Jordi Visser also has a thesis that debasement isn’t even the primary catalyst for bitcoin’s growth. He thinks that AI will have the effect of disrupting valuations of companies/stocks as it brings massive efficiency and abundance to all industries, whereas bitcoin is one of the only assets that AI can’t alter. No matter how much abundance and disruption AI brings, bitcoin’s protocol ensures there will always be a hard cap of 21 million coins. In a world where everything is being revalued by AI, bitcoin will remain a fixed, global, and highly liquid collateral asset, which along with things like Pokémon cards and gold, will serve to be reliably unchangeable as a store of excess liquidity in the economy as many other investments are disrupted and money looks for a home.

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Only Pokemon at risk of inflation is driftblim

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Thats a bold claim, both of us don’t know that. The point is that the dollar doesn’t have to implode weimar style for crypto to keep going up. It just has to inflate like it keeps inflating and the genie is out the box by now post covid. Yields are at ath because nobody wants to hold this shitcoin called dollar, especially with AI paradigm being imminent. The government would have to personally pay me atleast 20% to even consider it. Why would i lend money at 5% when the real inflation rate alone eats that away.

Edit, poster above nailed it and is worth requoting. Exactly my thoughts

In a world where everything is being revalued by AI, bitcoin will remain a fixed, global, and highly liquid collateral asset, which along with things like Pokémon cards and gold, will serve to be reliably unchangeable as a store of excess liquidity in the economy as many other investments are disrupted and money looks for a home.

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Why are those the only 2 options?

Curbing the modern age robber barons would be a start. Once again, I find it ironic that those who have a lack of trust in governments are the ones destabilizing them. Or again, maybe self-explanatory.

The government is a shield and excuse for the robber barons but whose bidding does it serve? Public popularity is unrelated to actual policy. To me, it makes no sense to blame the puppets and trust the puppeteers.

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You have to elaborate here because you aren’t saying much but a populist cryptic message, what is your actual economic plan laid out in detail for that specific debt issue? How do you maintain the fiat system stable longterm? Who are the puppeteers and what is their role in the system at this point in time

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Instead of using debt to subsidize capital holders you invest in productive investments like infrastructure, medial/tech/energy R&D, etc that actually increase GDP. you reduce spend in non-productive areas, increase tax revenue (either through direct tax increases or through a more productive economy) and you begin paying down the debt.

That’s what default pfp guy (my goat) is implying by asking “why are these the only two options?”

No one in here is laying out proposals for comprehensive economic structures and you asking someone to stop and meet that bar is bad faith.

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And I’m now in the glue trap explaining what is obvious

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Most federal spending goes to households through social security and health programs, not to investors.

Cutting “non-productive spending” means cutting social security, medicare, medicaid and GL doing that without massive massive resistance

you invest in productive investments like infrastructure, medial/tech/energy R&D, etc that actually increase GDP.

Yeah but costs are concentrated and imminent, this stuff takes decades to pay out

increase tax revenue

Probably gonna help, 4784th times a charm. (Remember how americans started a civil war over a 2% tea tax?)

No one in here is laying out proposals for comprehensive economic structures

Because nobody else made the same claims

begin paying down the debt.

It never happened in any fiat system, it won’t happen in the future.

2 ways out

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I’ll reframe my claim and agree it’s not only inflation, it’s some combination of tax hikes, growth, austerity, and inflation. My main point is that inflation is the long term release valve they must utilize to keep the debt manageable. It becomes difficult or even impossible over time to keep inflation down without making the debt situation worse. Add inevitable crises on top of that (covid for example) and it will accelerate inflation through expansion of the money supply, which is why inflation was so bad the last few years and why they can’t seem to get it back down to the 2% target.

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this is bait you can’t actually think this way

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Except his argument is entirely sound, and calling something bait without riposte isn’t helpful either.

The problem with the arguments that you and pfp guy are making is that they’re based on flawed, incomplete logic that presides over undercurrents of ideological distaste for the “evil billionaire money grubbers”, falsely redirecting blame from where it truly lies, which is with continually terrible federal fiscal policy combined with a terrible currency system. It’s like a cowboy tradesman using crappy tools to do a bad job.

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Who do you think is determining this fiscal policy? How do you think we got here?

Are we still blaming the puppets in 2026?

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idk if the us has a terrible currency monetary policy whatever then other countries must be even worse coz other currencies perform like crap against usd :rofl: so much so that u can just import ur pokeys from jpnan canada wherever and typically youll get it way cheaper