# Chumlee calls out Scott Pratte? **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Tags:** general-board\ **Created:** [March 19, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821 "2018-03-19T23:46:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![charizandrew](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/charizandrew/32/873_2.png) [@charizandrew](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/charizandrew)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/22 "2018-03-20T01:13:42Z")
> [@teraz](#): > > > [@aetsen](#): > > > > Not so much a call out. He’s just stating the truth. All the evidence is there whether people choose to accept it as fact or not. Between @pokemonsyndicate , myself and others we have a large compendium of proof. > > I don’t think there is a huge lack of consensus that it’s the actual 1st edition of pokemon when looking at the TCG chronologically. Objectively, the NRs came first, ergo they are the true 1st editions. > > Anyone who disagrees with that conclusion is likely disputing their place as the true 1st edition on grounds that the NRs are not an official print run, but rather seemingly an aesthetic tweak early on in production > > However, the fact that PSA recognizes them certainly establishes their legitimacy. > > I think if there is any disagreement on the subject, or the main reason @smpratte and others don’t openly suggest investing in them is based on data. The historical and quantifiable data says that 1st edition base is a better investment than NR long term. It is very possible that NRs could shoot up in price. As an investment though, if you’re spending $1000, should you buy NRs or 1st edition base? Data says 1st ed base. Thank you for mentioning quantifiable data. This thread could be very interesting if arguments were made with quantifiable data versus speculation. ---
**Author:** ![aetsen](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/aetsen/32/720_2.png) [@aetsen](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/aetsen)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:17am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/23 "2018-03-20T01:17:38Z")
That’s from an investors perspective though and not a collector. A collector would want Japanese 1st Edition Base Set because of the history and that it came first. Not for the inherent value or potential gains. ---
**Author:** ![pokemonsyndicate](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokemonsyndicate/32/462_2.png) [@pokemonsyndicate](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokemonsyndicate)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/25 "2018-03-20T01:19:04Z")
> [@anon83099482](#): > > I don’t think there’s any doubt in anyone’s mind that the no rarity cards are the first print run of the Japanese TCG. They are the first TCG cards printed. There’s no argument against that. > > It’s only when people try and say that this alone means they should be more valuable than 1st Edition English Base that Scott has to slap some sense into people with numbers. The zard doesn’t even have a price point. I could sell it for much more then a 1st Ed one. There 117 of them. But there’s 4 of these gem mint. How’s that for some numbers 👽 ---
**Author:** ![pierce](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pierce/32/767_2.png) [@pierce](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pierce)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/27 "2018-03-20T01:21:49Z")
Haha that was great, if he hops on discord let me know lol ---
**Author:** ![pokemonsyndicate](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokemonsyndicate/32/462_2.png) [@pokemonsyndicate](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokemonsyndicate)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/28 "2018-03-20T01:22:45Z")
> [@anon83099482](#): > > > [@pokemonsyndicate](#): > > > > The zard doesn’t even have a price point. I could sell it for much more then a 1st Ed one. There 117 of them. But there’s 4 of these gem mint. How’s that for some numbers 👽 > > “I could sell it for much more then a 1st Ed one.” > > Go on then. I wouldn’t sell my only copy 😂😂😂 But if I chose to. I could hit up some rich collector for 50k with ease 🕶 And when I have 5 of em. Just watch me. You underestimate what these cards are capable of dude. You all do. ---
**Author:** ![aetsen](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/aetsen/32/720_2.png) [@aetsen](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/aetsen)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/29 "2018-03-20T01:23:55Z")
No one said they should have more value. Only that they are in FACT the 1st Edition Pokemon cards. Period. ---
**Author:** ![charizandrew](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/charizandrew/32/873_2.png) [@charizandrew](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/charizandrew)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/30 "2018-03-20T01:24:23Z")
> [@pokemonsyndicate](#): > > > [@anon83099482](#): > > > > “I could sell it for much more then a 1st Ed one.” > > > > Go on then. > > I wouldn’t sell my only copy 😂😂😂 > > But if I chose to. I could hit up some rich collector for 50k with ease 🕶 > > And when I have 5 of em. Just watch me. This is a baseless claim until you do it. ---
**Author:** ![pokemonsyndicate](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokemonsyndicate/32/462_2.png) [@pokemonsyndicate](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokemonsyndicate)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/31 "2018-03-20T01:27:12Z")
> [@charizandrew](#): > > > [@pokemonsyndicate](#): > > > > I wouldn’t sell my only copy 😂😂😂 > > > > But if I chose to. I could hit up some rich collector for 50k with ease 🕶 > > > > And when I have 5 of em. Just watch me. > > This is a baseless claim until you do it. I guess this attitude is why you will never do it 😉 Untill then 🕶🔭 I know how it works man. I know the people who are after these and I know how much there selling for in the backround and it doesn’t take a genious to see how this plays out. I can predict it in my sleep. I’ve said these things 1,000 times. It’s called experience. When the 1st Ed zard was selling for 8,000 noone could believe it and I said you better get it now always in a year it will be 16,000. Someone like you would have said… ohhhhh this is baseless claim untill it happens. Guess what happened a year later? It went for 16k on the dot 🕶 A no rarity Blastoise sold for 5k and my first though was it will sell for 10 soon. There was an offer for 10,000 for it privately… See where I’m going? Saying it’s baseless is counterproductive because if you cannot take strategic risks in investing collecting… with everything in life. You will get no where. ---
**Author:** ![aetsen](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/aetsen/32/720_2.png) [@aetsen](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/aetsen)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:29am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/33 "2018-03-20T01:29:24Z")
![](https://i.imgur.com/uoUJ322.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![aetsen](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/aetsen/32/720_2.png) [@aetsen](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/aetsen)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:30am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/34 "2018-03-20T01:30:32Z")
You just said it yourself. You said first printing and not 1st Edition. Even in the book for no rarity with the checklist it states no rarity is the 1st edition. ---
**Author:** ![pokemonsyndicate](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokemonsyndicate/32/462_2.png) [@pokemonsyndicate](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokemonsyndicate)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:32am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/35 "2018-03-20T01:32:12Z")
> [@anon83099482](#): > > > [@aetsen](#): > > > > No one said they should have more value. Only that they are in FACT the 1st Edition Pokemon cards. Period. > > No one has ever said they aren’t. > You’re responding to an argument that isn’t there. Ohh it’s there. You guys have been dissing no rarity since the beginning. It’s not gonna make em cheaper for much longer 🌚 The cat is out of the bag bissh!!! Collectors know the truth and they have cotten on. Especially those wonderful ladz in Japan. Well they have always held on to them like gold, but now they have put up a wall which cannot be climbz… don’t believe me? Want some quantified data? I watch the market everyday I have the prices of everything in the last few years. Things have changed! And I’m sorry if you cant accept it. But the Japanese collectors and all the Japanese websites refer to these as the 1st edition. It’s even on the biggest Japanese hobby store in existence. It’s the collectors that should not be under minded, especially the Japanese ones. We should just go off what Gamefreak and the Japanese say, and not off what the good mods of e4 say because they aren’t as cool. ---
**Author:** ![aetsen](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/aetsen/32/720_2.png) [@aetsen](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/aetsen)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/37 "2018-03-20T01:40:13Z")
It’s been said many times. They claim it’s the first print and not 1st edition because there is no stamp saying 1st edition, but the evidence is there in an official book. Yet it’s denied and claimed to be stock photo’s, not official because it wasn’t printed by media factory, etc., but there’s no refuting the text that states they are the 1st edition. Nintendo used a variety of publishers for early content so it can not be discounted by saying it’s not official because it’s not printed by media factory. ---
**Author:** ![pokemonsyndicate](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokemonsyndicate/32/462_2.png) [@pokemonsyndicate](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokemonsyndicate)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/38 "2018-03-20T01:45:13Z")
> [@anon83099482](#): > > > [@pokemonsyndicate](#): > > > > Ohh it’s there. You guys have been dissing no rarity since the beginning. > > > > It’s not gonna make em cheaper for much longer 🌚 > > > > The cat is out of the bag bissh!!! > > Please show me where people have said that No Rarity is not the first printing on Japanese Base Set. What I’m saying is. If it’s not this, you guys will come up with some other way to try and cripple the no rarity. But it’s not going to work. So just give up. It doesn’t matter if it’s the symbol, the 1st edition… you’ll all come up with something. ---
**Author:** ![KingPokemon](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/kingpokemon/32/283_2.png) [@KingPokemon](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/KingPokemon)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/39 "2018-03-20T01:45:28Z")
Basically it matters little. Let’s just agree they’re 1st print run by media factory (only MF). They are still a foreign language item and are only appreciated by a few Japanese who are trying to profit off them and a few guys here who pay attention to them and have fun collecting them… Is that enough to bring in some bucks? Sure, and I hope pokesyn makes some money. Sometimes these niche items grow legs. Long run, I can’t get excited over it because it’s a Japanese release. Niche? Yes. A fun collectible? Sure. The only part of our hobby that concerns me is any downturn would affect Jpn cards first. To this day, they’re a novelty. I don’t think there’s a single set that outvalues their English counterpart. Of the thousands of binders I’ve seen over the years, most will have one or two Japanese cards in them. That’s it. Where is the market going to grow from? ---
**Author:** ![smpratte](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/smpratte/32/79511_2.png) [@smpratte](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/smpratte)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/40 "2018-03-20T01:47:27Z")
> [@aetsen](#): > > ![](https://i.imgur.com/uoUJ322.jpg) Does this explain why no rarity isn’t exciting? ---
**Author:** ![aetsen](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/aetsen/32/720_2.png) [@aetsen](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/aetsen)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/41 "2018-03-20T01:51:02Z")
As I said before those who collect Japanese Base Set 1st Edition are more aligned as collectors. Those who collect English cards mainly seem to be doing it for an investment purpose. If there was downturn it would be in the English market, as is being seen now and not so much with Japanese 1st Edition cards. Collecting VS Investing. Two very different things and most of us align somewhere in the middle as do most hobbyists. If there’s no real market as you say for Japanese Base Set 1st Edition then there’s nowhere for the market to go except up IMO. ---
**Author:** ![pokemonsyndicate](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/pokemonsyndicate/32/462_2.png) [@pokemonsyndicate](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/pokemonsyndicate)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/43 "2018-03-20T01:55:03Z")
> [@anon83099482](#): > > > [@pokemonsyndicate](#): > > > > What I’m saying is. > > > > If it’s not this, you guys will come up with some other way to try and cripple the no rarity. > > > > But it’s not going to work. So just give up. > > > > It doesn’t matter if it’s the symbol, the 1st edition… you’ll all come up with something. > > No one is trying to do anything. This isn’t some big conspiracy against the three of you who love no rarity. > We are simply stating what we see. That the community as a whole do not find these as exciting or desirable as 1st Edition Base in English. There are no sales to show no rarity being as valuable as 1st Edition English Base. > > Take off the tin foil hat. You and your conspiracies. Did I say anything about conspiracy? Look I have my tinfoil suit on ATM and I’m not going to take off the hat whether you like it or not. Because I have bipola hypomania mode ATM and haven’t slept for a day or 3. And it’s time to let you know what’s been grinding my gears Mr. DJ gigabyte… What kind of collector is a DJ? Doesn’t even sense to me. Gonna start picking on your name because that is the first bleeding insecurity I see and I’ll use it to my advantage to undermine any other smart fancy things you might say. Not that we can trust anything you say anyway since your an admin of e4 which makes your view bias to begin with. Because we all know what e4 thinks of no rarity. You have not been a part of any of the no rarity conversation in the last few years. They have been through such tradgedies almost as bad as the pandaz in the mists of pandaria. How would you know there sufferings when you just joined in for 2 seconds on one thread. Basic point I’m trying to make is. People rely on proper information. But you guys constantly dis the no rarities with your antiseminoraritismz philosophy. You don’t deserve to talk about the no rarities because e4 is racist against them and has condemned them for to long now. You don’t deserve to dictate them! The collectors do though. And I will fight you all on this untill the truth is set in stone 🕶 This is a hate crime against the no raritan and you will be on trial from now on. Your circle of inner antinoraritism is out in the open now. Has anyone watched Netflix Hitler’s inner circle of evilston? ---
**Author:** ![aetsen](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/aetsen/32/720_2.png) [@aetsen](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/aetsen)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/44 "2018-03-20T01:55:15Z")
It’s hard to have sales when there’s such a limited availability. ---
**Author:** ![aetsen](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/aetsen/32/720_2.png) [@aetsen](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/aetsen)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/46 "2018-03-20T02:00:35Z")
> [@anon83099482](#): > > > [@aetsen](#): > > > > As I said before those who collect Japanese Base Set 1st Edition are more aligned as collectors. Those who collect English cards mainly seem to be doing it for an investment purpose. If there was downturn it would be in the English market, as is being seen now and not so much with Japanese 1st Edition cards. Collecting VS Investing. Two very different things and most of us align somewhere in the middle as do most hobbyists. If there’s no real market as you say for Japanese Base Set 1st Edition then there’s nowhere for the market to go except up IMO. > > Personally I think that only people who own a half art set of English Worlds trophies from different years are truely aligned as collectors. > > Everyone who isn’t DPersin, catch me the fuck up losers. > > This argument reminds of the people who have decided they want to try and heavily grade with BGS instead of PSA. They’ve focused in on a niche part of the hobby and are trying to build it up by belittling everyone who doesn’t agree with them. You just made your own point moot by that statement alone. Your argument is exactly what you are claiming others are doing. So yea… ---
**Author:** ![teraz](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/teraz/32/32704_2.png) [@teraz](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/teraz)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821/48 "2018-03-20T02:02:25Z")
> [@pokemonsyndicate](#): > > > [@anon83099482](#): > > > > No one is trying to do anything. This isn’t some big conspiracy against the three of you who love no rarity. > > We are simply stating what we see. That the community as a whole do not find these as exciting or desirable as 1st Edition Base in English. There are no sales to show no rarity being as valuable as 1st Edition English Base. > > > > Take off the tin foil hat. > > Look I have my tinfoil suit on ATM and I’m not going to take off the hat whether you like it or not. I don’t audibly LOL from stuff I read online much at all, but this got me 😆 [Previous page](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821.md?page=1) [Next page](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/chumlee-calls-out-scott-pratte/19821.md?page=3)