# Black Label 1st Ed Charizard **URL:** \ **Category:** Grading\ **Tags:** 1st-edition, bgs, charizard, black-label\ **Created:** [December 20, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387 "2023-12-20T16:44:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![youngster\_ryan](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/youngster_ryan/32/83344_2.png) [@youngster\_ryan](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/youngster_ryan)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/1 "2023-12-20T16:44:01Z")
How much would this go for at auction? ![PhotoRoom_20231219_124714](https://efour.b-cdn.net/uploads/default/original/3X/e/2/e29da2fae94dc99ff8f6b665a6ed12208565c331.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![eeveeteam](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/eeveeteam/32/2219_2.png) [@eeveeteam](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/eeveeteam)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:53pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/2 "2023-12-20T16:53:26Z")
It looks photo shopped. Is it real? ---
**Author:** ![Dyl](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/dyl/32/234623_2.png) [@Dyl](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/Dyl)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:54pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/3 "2023-12-20T16:54:26Z")
Absolutely photoshopped. ![.](https://efour.b-cdn.net/uploads/default/original/3X/8/1/8139df16731955011d534156e88889db7976debc.png) ---
**Author:** ![Charizard1020](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/charizard1020/32/252961_2.png) [@Charizard1020](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/Charizard1020)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/4 "2023-12-20T16:56:33Z")
Gary offered Logan over 1 million for his bgs 10. So I assume a black label would be over that ---
**Author:** ![youngster\_ryan](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/youngster_ryan/32/83344_2.png) [@youngster\_ryan](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/youngster_ryan)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/5 "2023-12-20T16:56:37Z")
Haha I had a little fun with photo shop 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bill](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/bill/32/79195_2.png) [@bill](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/bill)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/6 "2023-12-20T17:00:52Z")
Yes but Gary is a smart man. If he buys a bgs 10 for 1 million, his own 2 bgs 10 are suddenly worth 1 million too. I guess thats what he would hope happens. And he got the monopoly on the bgs 10 ---
**Author:** ![Dyl](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/dyl/32/234623_2.png) [@Dyl](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/Dyl)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/7 "2023-12-20T17:01:38Z")
I would assume that the first sale would be for somewhere in the $2M-$2.5M range. And then following sales would be lower if more were graded. ---
**Author:** ![Charizard1020](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/charizard1020/32/252961_2.png) [@Charizard1020](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/Charizard1020)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/8 "2023-12-20T17:04:06Z")
Logan said he would never sell it to him. So it’s both of them owning the three. Gary with 2 and Logan with 1 ---
**Author:** ![eeveeteam](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/eeveeteam/32/2219_2.png) [@eeveeteam](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/eeveeteam)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/9 "2023-12-20T17:13:24Z")
Not sure if Gary cares about value. He did say selling cards are not taxable, ha! ---
**Author:** ![traineramy](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/traineramy/32/132565_2.png) [@traineramy](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/traineramy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/10 "2023-12-21T00:29:51Z")
So sketch that Gary submitted the card for bgs gold and it didn’t cross but then it did when Logan did ---
**Author:** ![milhouse](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/milhouse/32/326_2.png) [@milhouse](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/milhouse)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 12:37am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/11 "2023-12-21T00:37:26Z")
I will auction mine tomorrow and see what it goes for. ---
**Author:** ![Charizard1020](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/charizard1020/32/252961_2.png) [@Charizard1020](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/Charizard1020)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 12:42am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/12 "2023-12-21T00:42:57Z")
I mean bgs knew it was for the mayweather fight and knew the exposure they would get ---
**Author:** ![lavendertown](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/lavendertown/32/90590_2.png) [@lavendertown](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/lavendertown)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/13 "2023-12-21T01:11:45Z")
![9f7b92a5949afa818336543f1bcd17c0b5e060a3](https://efour.b-cdn.net/uploads/default/original/3X/9/f/9f7b92a5949afa818336543f1bcd17c0b5e060a3.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![inertgeometry](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/inertgeometry/32/2537_2.png) [@inertgeometry](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/inertgeometry)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 1:16am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/14 "2023-12-21T01:16:39Z")
its BGS, so i’d say it’d probably go for like $40 maybe? idk ---
**Author:** ![aj84](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/aj84/32/244_2.png) [@aj84](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/aj84)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/15 "2023-12-21T11:23:28Z")
The BGS 10 $1 million talk is near the peak of the hype. Last PSA 10 copy sold about 218K. I would say the black label would sell just over a million ($1 -1.25 million) (approx. 5x premium). ---
**Author:** ![Charizard1020](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/charizard1020/32/252961_2.png) [@Charizard1020](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/Charizard1020)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:40am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/16 "2023-12-21T11:40:53Z")
Yeah but there is about 125ish psa 10s. Only three bgs pristine 10s. Only two people own those three. Completely different markets ---
**Author:** ![jabby](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/jabby/32/26318_2.png) [@jabby](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/jabby)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:50am UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/17 "2023-12-21T11:50:31Z")
Sadly I wonder if the BGS “premium” for 10s even exists now? At least in Pokemon and even in other hobbies the prestige for high-grade BGS seems to have continually shifted to PSA 10. Personally I’ve always liked high-grade Beckett slabs, but I get a pretty strong sense the market just doesn’t value them anything like they did 2-3 years ago at this point. ---
**Author:** ![traineramy](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/traineramy/32/132565_2.png) [@traineramy](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/traineramy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/18 "2023-12-21T13:43:38Z")
Many bgs 10 that I see on pwcc and elsewhere don’t have any premium to PSA 10 at this point. It is black label or bust ---
**Author:** ![trevcatchem](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/trevcatchem/32/124898_2.png) [@trevcatchem](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/trevcatchem)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/19 "2023-12-21T14:09:03Z")
Gary submitted in the case, logan cracked it. Bias is still likely though. ---
**Author:** ![bigtechbill](https://efour.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.elitefourum.com/bigtechbill/32/233865_2.png) [@bigtechbill](https://www.elitefourum.com/u/bigtechbill)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:12pm UTC](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387/20 "2023-12-21T14:12:26Z")
Which is stupid because theres so many examples of PSA 10 cards that have glaring issues, whereas thats pretty much unheard of when you get into BGS 10 territory [Next page](https://www.elitefourum.com/t/black-label-1st-ed-charizard/45387.md?page=2)