Anyone want to speculate with me? (CGC Secret)

ChaChaMatchaMochi · 2023-06-19T16:36:14.349Z

It might have to do with their pop report or training on new machines or encasing/encapsulation.

I just noticed Gemrate’s twitter says 0 cards graded in the past few business days.

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wisewailmer · 2023-06-19T16:37:42.019Z

it could also be them announcing that wisewailmer recently opened a cgc account. That was definitely big news to me

smpratte · 2023-06-19T16:51:14.503Z

I went and took a look at that twitter. I didn’t realize cgc was at the bottom:

Maybe their sports cards haven’t done well, or the pop report is still not functional? Either way it would make sense to roll out a change.

pokecollectoramy · 2023-06-19T17:14:35.819Z

The pop report is definitely still down. They are showing less graded cards than a week ago. I don’t think gemrates numbers will be accurate for a another week or two. Maybe the pop report is being rehauled completely and that’s the secret lol

jac2357 · 2023-06-19T18:51:32.459Z

Psa took a total hammering. Definitely less cards being graded now. Watch this trend continue.

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pfm · 2023-06-19T18:51:54.098Z

Prepare yourself for a 200+ post thread on this topic

wisewailmer · 2023-06-19T18:54:12.693Z

200+ before the announcement

ChaChaMatchaMochi · 2023-06-19T19:08:03.111Z

This is also total cards which includes other TCGs that cgc doesnt report out yet AND sports cards. The picture looks less grim if CGC / CSG finally got their pop report stuff together.

wisewailmer · 2023-06-19T19:10:18.508Z

I was not aware CGC had pop report issues. Can someone fill me in

jac2357 · 2023-06-19T19:21:01.018Z

I agree fully. CGC/CSG are doing well.

ChaChaMatchaMochi · 2023-06-19T19:22:28.153Z

Right now, they grade a wide breadth of TCGs but only report the large players like magic and pokemon. Weiss is left out as well as others. and for csg gemrate has claimed pop report staleness since Feb due to maintenance.

zorloth · 2023-06-19T19:56:42.606Z

These numbers are pretty irrelevant for Pokemon comparisons, though. Of those 237.9k cards added to the PSA pop report last week, only 91k were Pokemon (38%). Whereas of the 16.7k cards added to the CGC pop report last week, 16k were Pokemon (96%). So the actual relevant comparison is 91k vs 16k. Still a large gap, of course, but less than half the size of the gap than that graphic implies.

I don’t know the exact BGS numbers, but I’d expect the spread to be even larger with BGS.

jac2357 · 2023-06-19T19:58:56.841Z

We can all make almost any point we want with statistics. The big question is which of the 3 below psa will break out from the pack.

zorloth · 2023-06-19T19:59:58.741Z

I’m not making a “point” with statistics. I’m pointing out that the Gemrate statistics aren’t very helpful for comparing the # of Pokemon cards graded.

smpratte · 2023-06-19T20:00:28.837Z

Ah ok thats pretty nuts they have little to no presence in sports. I wonder if that is part of the reason for the update.

Dyl · 2023-06-19T20:03:30.018Z

jac2357:

The big question is which of the 3 below psa will break out from the pack.

It’s been 3 years for CGC Trading Cards and over 20 years for BGS. What makes you think that the future will be any different? Pending something crazy, I don’t see the market share equitably splitting in the near future.

jac2357 · 2023-06-19T20:10:07.176Z

Ok you are making a point about statistics if that’s better.

zorloth · 2023-06-19T20:18:10.052Z

Well, the implication was that I was manipulating statistics to make a point that was misleading. Whereas in actuality, I was literally just comparing the # of Pokemon cards graded by one company to the # of Pokemon cards graded by another. It wasn’t even a point about statistics lol. It was literally just a comparison of two numbers.

Regardless, as to your original point: nothing’s changed regarding the dynamics of the the graded Pokemon card scene. PSA is by far #1, CGC is a distant #2, and the rest is pretty much statistical noise. This is at least true for the sets I pay attention to, For example:

Sandstorm pop report:

PSA - 13.7k
CGC - 6.8k
BGS - 0.3k

The gap is a little less insane for WotC, but still pretty crazy:

1ED Neo Genesis:

PSA - 54.5k
CGC - 19.6k
BGS - 3.5k

jac2357 · 2023-06-19T20:18:36.963Z

Every dog has it’s day.

jac2357 · 2023-06-19T20:22:23.311Z

I agree we can only look at like for like to get any sense. We don’t compare cgc comics with psa now do we lol.