AI usage in Pokemon Illustration contest 2024

“There is no such thing are AI “art” - it’s just an algorithm that steals other people’s work and smashes it together. Since it’s not made by a sentient artist, it’s not art.”

I found someone with this definition on reddit and Im inclined to agree with it more than not, at least the first portion of it. There is indeed a line where the tool portion of ai is and where it does all the work and conceptualizing for people. I cant say how much ai was used in the submissions but if the submitted images are not correct due to creator carelessness then those images should fail based on that. Things like the backgrounds not being right, luvdiscs mouths being wrong, etc, should cause those images to fail in the competition. I go pixel by pixel to adjust and clean some of the things Ive uploaded, its very rudimentary and not very detailed but I also dont consider myself an artist and what I make is for fun hobby site and not meant to be put into a portfolio.

I think Ai has its place as a helpful tool and competitions should still be judged evenly based on quality, but if its digital then there shouldnt be unintended errors.

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Thank you lyleberr for reinforcing a super important point. It’s not art. Here’s 2 prior posts on the matter, since it is another topic of today.

previous statement on AI generation
another previous quote

And today I’ll just say is it doesn’t need to be in the rules verbatim for any art contest to be immoral. It’s plagiarism. It’s not art. It’s not your work, it’s dishonest. And the subs above are the worst, most soulless, and uninspired anyway, so I’m not shocked the judges picked them. They have picked mediocre work in the past before, all the way up to winners.

Nothing more to say, really. You’re trash if you submit AI generated crap to an art contest of any kind, or imply it is your own work.

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History shows that there are always challenges to what the definition and boundary of “real art” is. And as far as I know, the definition is always expanded rather than narrowed.

I think we can all agree that flooding the contest with AI artwork (think of how many we’re not chosen in the top 300) is extraordinary bad taste. But to say all AI art is not art is a pretty narrow minded. For example there’s an artist Holly Herndon who generates her own machine learning models to create music. You can look at the AI as an instrument or the model as the “art”. But either way it’s a convincing example of how to responsibility combine AI as a tool with art.

But of course, this submitter is not doing anything like that

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The submitter spent 10s of minutes writing prompts and stealing other art to generate theirs. Thats real art there

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Not my claim. I’m just saying that you’re betting against history if you just make a broad claim that anything generated by ai can’t be art.

(Also I just released your post came to me as a “reply” notification but it’s because I’m the op and not because you replied to my last message. If you weren’t replying to me just ignore this)

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Imagine spending years perfecting your own style. Smh no time for that shit, just keywords and its all good man.

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I asked my good looking AI assistant to help me on the topic:

Artificial Intelligence (AI) is becoming increasingly important in many disciplines due to its ability to process large amounts of data quickly, learn from patterns, and make informed decisions.

Tell me more about AI in Art?

Certainly! AI is making a significant impact in the field of art in several ways:

  1. Creation: AI algorithms can create new pieces of art by learning from existing styles and generating new works that mimic those styles or even combine them in unique ways.
  2. Collaboration: Artists are using AI as a collaborative tool to explore new forms of expression and to push the boundaries of traditional art forms.
  3. Curation: AI can help curate art by analyzing and organizing large collections, making it easier to discover and display works that share certain themes or elements.
  4. Interaction: AI enables interactive art installations that respond to the presence or actions of viewers, creating a dynamic and personalized experience.

Do you think pokemon artists are at risk against ai ?

The impact of AI on Pokémon artists, like any other artists, can be seen from multiple angles:

  1. Competition: AI-generated art could potentially compete with human artists, as it can produce large volumes of work quickly.
  2. Tool: AI can also be a tool for Pokémon artists to enhance their creativity and efficiency, opening up new avenues for artistic expression.
  3. Collaboration: Some artists may collaborate with AI to create hybrid works that blend human creativity with algorithmic complexity.

Ultimately, whether Pokémon artists are at risk depends on how they adapt to and integrate AI into their work. Some people may see it as a threat, while others may view it as an opportunity for growth and innovation.

I cant even defend AI anymore​:sob::sob::sob: it used to be cool as in “omg it can play mario 64” or “omg the atlas robot” now its “omg i can make taylor swift go on the news by using deepfakes!” and yall know what happened there.

Where the line is blurred is examples like Holly. Objectively, no exceptions, if someone plugs a prompt into a software for an AI to produce anything, it is not art. However, if someone is going further, designing, combining the AI uses with their own expressions, I can’t say the same thing. That said, in my opinion, AI should never be used in conjunction with art specifically. Everything else, sure, but just not expression of humans.

I realize it is inevitable. I realize it is an unstoppable thing, and that I will always prefer the old ways, and it is preference at that point. And call me whatever one wants to call me, but I will always be of the opinion that anything made by AI, even in conjunction with actual creativity from humans, will be diluted. It is important to distinguish between opinion and objectivity here. For the sake of the debate here, it is fact that anyone who tells the program, “make this pikachu like this for me”, is not only not art, but anti-art when you really think of it. And for the sake of the wider debate, when one does the other method of combining, that is opinion, and I’ve made mine pretty clear.

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Wonderful replies and thoughts. As always, your strong sense of respecting the person behind the work is in full showcase on your thoughts about ai.

I think I am willing to be looser with my judgement of it because I view it similarly to the rise of CG in movies. At first it was obvious but mindblowing and pushed fields forward, then it became a crutch that was less obvious but didnt look good as people relied to heavily on it, now it is much less obvious because of how use to it we are and how much it has progressed to being a tool to blur into reality instead of replacing reality completely.

As smpratte implied, its out of the bag now and an eventuality. There will always be artists who do not use it and their work will be different in whole compared to what was made with ai, but hopefully artists realize what should and shouldnt be done with ai and realize that it functions so much better as a tool rather than an art creator.

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Generation of AI art lacks: intention, creativity or skill. I think that’s the frustration point for most people. If you mix those elements back into the creation of ai art, I don’t think it would be contentious.

Personally, where I would land is to still call it art but it is art with minimal to no intention or creativity. And I would say that’s ultimately what is valued in art. So this type of art has minimal value. Similar to the same way mass production of goods drops the price significantly.

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Thems fightin words

I think anyone trained in digital art prior to ai is losing right now. For example, Kinebuchi while his style looks dated today, it’s a craft and has a spirit to it. Perhaps part of that is being the main digital artist at the time, either way he still is using a skill set. When ai is doing majority-all the work it just feels empty. More importantly, it saturates every digital art medium.

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We agree on this. I think we have a different concept of “digital art”“. If humans were not creating art there would be no " AI art”. AI art depends on human creativity. Human creativity does not depend on AI

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As I said in the other thread, as one of the artists who participating, it’s extremely disappointing to have spots taken by AI art (and multiple entries which was against the rules) in this contest.

I blame TPC more than I blame the AI generators (they’re always going to try to take advantage of art contests and the like) for allowing AI and not being more keen on spotting stuff like this. Not to mention the obvious double entry.

But to be honest the thing that bothers me even more is the fact that even though 6 different countries were allowed to enter, 95% of the winners are from 1 country, the home country of the contest being held… they’re Japanese. So we know winners weren’t selected purely on merit of their work but by their nationality first and foremost. It looks like they told the judge panel to throw in 5-10% gaijin winners to make it look fair.

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That sounds like a very TPC thing to do. For instance, I wrote a litteral python script to get some of the leftover Matsuri Park spots for Worlds 2023. Literally 99.5% of people that were other than me were Japanese.

To some degree, it makes sense they would prioritize Japanese entrants as they are more plausibility future artists for cards. At the same time your point still stands

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I don’t see the rules as being ambiguous at all.

If AI images can’t be copyrighted, how can they be considered for a prize that will eventually be IP of the Sponsor?

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Is it possible that Vigo and Vigen might be siblings? I didn’t read the rules completely but I think they should be able to take responsibility for their work if 2, 3, or 4 of those names win

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Yes but then theres no reason for them to submit as full name and shortened last initial for both names.

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